3 ms·

>Basically. That's the third world in essence. Very astute observation...

by dennis_jeeves1 4y ago

rjzzleep 4y ago
Also a bit racist and ignorant of history and foreign intervention, but ok.
- CoastalCoder 4y ago
  I can't tell what your criticism is. Are you saying the GP is inaccurate, or impolitic, or something else?
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    I'm pretty sure all three. Are there any examples of these "3rd world countries" that don't have a horrible history of foreign exploitation with foreign capital and bribe money propping up awful governments for decades? Blaming the citizens of a poor country for their terrible institutions when their governments were installed by wealthy foreign governments is always blaming the victim. The reason we make the case that these countries could have been better if their governance wasn't done for the sake of foreign investors is because we can't find a single counterexample. Not only meaning that we can't find an independent country that wasn't successful, but we can't even find an independent country with anything worth taking that wasn't taken.
- acta_non_verba 4y ago
  This is a bad rebuttal. He’s not mentioned race. I’m actually not sure which race you think he’s insulted. Care to elaborate?
- moralestapia 4y ago
  You might the one with a naive point of view around this, as you buy into the myth that third world countries would be paradise on earth "if not for other countries oppressing them continuously". Whew. Have you ever had someone come into your house and steal your belongings while you were not around? I have. Have you ever went to the police to report a crime only for them to laugh at your face? I have. Have you ever tried to sleep with 4 or 5 dogs barking nonstop around you? I have. I was born in México and I wasn't born in privilege, it took me decades of work to get out of that hellish place. None of the problems I had while I was there had to do with this so called "history or foreign intervention", they all had to do with my immediate surroundings full of imbeciles who could barely function as human beings. Let me tell you a story about a neighborhood who was throwing their trash to a river next to them (even though they had municipal garbage collection two days a week). That river, which ran through their backyard, was in an absolutely disgusting state all the time. Then when rain season came, all of that trash washed out to another place where it caused flooding because it clogged the wastewater pipes. Let me tell you a story about a guy who was stealing immunotherapy drugs (who were procured by the government and meant for ailing child, I wish I was making this up) and selling them outside the hospital for a profit, with a complete disregard for the lives of the patients there. You want to know how much he was making out of this? Around 2,000 USD/month. You can EASILY make that money and much more without having to murder kids. Let me tell you a story about some idiot who tried to get some kids (ages 4-12) from a primary school hooked on drugs so he laced their food with fentanyl and they all went into a coma. I could write a book with 100s of stories like these that you wouldn't believe were true, I wouldn't believe them myself if not for having witnessed many of them first hand. The "history and foreign intervention" myth needs to be put to a rest. It's 2022 now, the state of many poor and undeveloped countries is a direct consequence of the people that live there, no one else is to blame for that, nobody.
  - lazyasciiart 4y ago
    You can’t simultaneously argue that history doesn’t matter and tell us your life story as though it’s relevant to your opinion today.

>Basically. That's the third world in essence. Very astute observation...

rjzzleep 4y ago

Also a bit racist and ignorant of history and foreign intervention, but ok.

CoastalCoder 4y ago
I can't tell what your criticism is. Are you saying the GP is inaccurate, or impolitic, or something else?
- pessimizer 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure all three. Are there any examples of these "3rd world countries" that don't have a horrible history of foreign exploitation with foreign capital and bribe money propping up awful governments for decades? Blaming the citizens of a poor country for their terrible institutions when their governments were installed by wealthy foreign governments is always blaming the victim. The reason we make the case that these countries could have been better if their governance wasn't done for the sake of foreign investors is because we can't find a single counterexample. Not only meaning that we can't find an independent country that wasn't successful, but we can't even find an independent country with anything worth taking that wasn't taken.
acta_non_verba 4y ago
This is a bad rebuttal. He’s not mentioned race. I’m actually not sure which race you think he’s insulted. Care to elaborate?
moralestapia 4y ago
You might the one with a naive point of view around this, as you buy into the myth that third world countries would be paradise on earth "if not for other countries oppressing them continuously". Whew. Have you ever had someone come into your house and steal your belongings while you were not around? I have. Have you ever went to the police to report a crime only for them to laugh at your face? I have. Have you ever tried to sleep with 4 or 5 dogs barking nonstop around you? I have. I was born in México and I wasn't born in privilege, it took me decades of work to get out of that hellish place. None of the problems I had while I was there had to do with this so called "history or foreign intervention", they all had to do with my immediate surroundings full of imbeciles who could barely function as human beings. Let me tell you a story about a neighborhood who was throwing their trash to a river next to them (even though they had municipal garbage collection two days a week). That river, which ran through their backyard, was in an absolutely disgusting state all the time. Then when rain season came, all of that trash washed out to another place where it caused flooding because it clogged the wastewater pipes. Let me tell you a story about a guy who was stealing immunotherapy drugs (who were procured by the government and meant for ailing child, I wish I was making this up) and selling them outside the hospital for a profit, with a complete disregard for the lives of the patients there. You want to know how much he was making out of this? Around 2,000 USD/month. You can EASILY make that money and much more without having to murder kids. Let me tell you a story about some idiot who tried to get some kids (ages 4-12) from a primary school hooked on drugs so he laced their food with fentanyl and they all went into a coma. I could write a book with 100s of stories like these that you wouldn't believe were true, I wouldn't believe them myself if not for having witnessed many of them first hand. The "history and foreign intervention" myth needs to be put to a rest. It's 2022 now, the state of many poor and undeveloped countries is a direct consequence of the people that live there, no one else is to blame for that, nobody.
- lazyasciiart 4y ago
  You can’t simultaneously argue that history doesn’t matter and tell us your life story as though it’s relevant to your opinion today.