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Marco and Gruber are (unsurprisingly) running with the mangled quote... http://www.marco.org/2011/12/07/eric-schmidt-android-leads-the-iphone http://www.marco.o

Marco and Gruber are (unsurprisingly) running with the mangled quote... http://www.marco.org/2011/12/07/eric-schmidt-android-leads-the-iphone http://www.marco.org/2011/12/07/eric-schmidt-android-leads-t... http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/07/marco-or-not http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/07/marco-or-not

raganwald 15y ago
Did we read the same Daring Fireball post? The one I read is responding to Marco's post rather than (mis)quoting Schmidt directly, and says so clearly. Furthermore, he casts Schmidt in a reasonable light, arguing that Schmidt must have meant what Schmidt may have actually said. Based on his track record, I would not be surprised to see a follow-up addressing the accuracy or otherwise of the quoted words.
- andrewfelix 15y ago
  Gruber analyses the same mangled quote. I'm not commenting on the interpretation. Consider if it had been a Job's quote. I suspect Gruber would have been more thorough. Having said that, I think you're probably right regarding a follow-up from Gruber.
- toddheasley 15y ago
  Gruber's assessment is more reasonable, but watching the video, I completely fail to see the controversy. In context, Schmidt's response seems almost humble, and he seems to be addressing two separate concerns raised by the question: 1) The actual challenges for developers (in terms of both the software being good enough to deliver killer apps and the store being able to generate money for developers) and 2) The perceived uncoolness of Android/perceived lack of developer interest On the first point, he's conceding that Android, up until ICS, fell short. On the second point, he's saying that, whether Android suddenly sparks developer interest or not, it's gonna be on so many devices that developers won't be able to say no (to the fame and fortune). I can't say whether he'll be correct, but I think he could be. It's an honest, if not direct, answer to the question asked -- and doesn't come across as a threat.
- ender7 15y ago
  He links to and quotes the same source article one post previous: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/07/schmidt http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/07/schmidt However, I agree; given Gruber's track record I expect him to post a correction soon.
  - raganwald 15y ago
    Done: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/08/eric-schmidt-really-said http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/08/eric-schmidt-rea...
briancooley 15y ago
Marco's "what will be different in 6 months?" question gave me a chuckle when you consider that native development for the iPhone is only about 3.5 years old and the rapid pace of change in the industry. Anyway, Schmidt enumerated some differences: - he thinks the software (ICS) has caught up to iOS - Google has made it a core objective to get all the hardware vendors on ICS - the Android Market has improved and now offers carrier billing - volume favors Android I don't know if he's right, but it's certainly a reasonable argument and not at all threatening or arrogant. To me, Marco reads something nefarious or coercive into the "whether you like it or not" phrase which I don't think was intended.
- dextorious 15y ago
  """Marco's "what will be different in 6 months?" question gave me a chuckle when you consider that native development for the iPhone is only about 3.5 years old and the rapid pace of change in the industry.""" I don't see any disruptive forces to have emerged those 3.5 years. The iPhone retains the lion's share of smartphone profits, and still is where the lion's share of mobile app profits are made. Trending upwards. Android expanded mostly in the low margin, bottom of the barrel, market category, and that's why they have a problem with apps. Do you see anything TODAY that would challenge that in 6 months, or do you believe that something will magically emerge in, say, 3 months to do it? All this "rapid pace" of the last 3.5 years is because a reaction to the iPhone, not something inherent in the industry. The 10 years preceding the iPhone the smartphone industry was boring, with very slow evolution, and marginal differences between models. I know because I was there, using some monstrosities of the era (by Nokia, Sony, etc) and hoping someone would come and build a better f&%^n phone.
- fpgeek 15y ago
  Not to mention ICS unifying "phone" and "tablet" apps and the growing impact of hybrid devices like the Samsung Galaxy Note. The sooner people realize that the right way to do an Android UI is to have a flexible framework that scales from from a 2.5 inch screen to a 10.1 inch screen with varying pixel densities, the better.

raganwald 15y ago

Did we read the same Daring Fireball post? The one I read is responding to Marco's post rather than (mis)quoting Schmidt directly, and says so clearly. Furthermore, he casts Schmidt in a reasonable light, arguing that Schmidt must have meant what Schmidt may have actually said. Based on his track record, I would not be surprised to see a follow-up addressing the accuracy or otherwise of the quoted words.

andrewfelix 15y ago
Gruber analyses the same mangled quote. I'm not commenting on the interpretation. Consider if it had been a Job's quote. I suspect Gruber would have been more thorough. Having said that, I think you're probably right regarding a follow-up from Gruber.
toddheasley 15y ago
Gruber's assessment is more reasonable, but watching the video, I completely fail to see the controversy. In context, Schmidt's response seems almost humble, and he seems to be addressing two separate concerns raised by the question: 1) The actual challenges for developers (in terms of both the software being good enough to deliver killer apps and the store being able to generate money for developers) and 2) The perceived uncoolness of Android/perceived lack of developer interest On the first point, he's conceding that Android, up until ICS, fell short. On the second point, he's saying that, whether Android suddenly sparks developer interest or not, it's gonna be on so many devices that developers won't be able to say no (to the fame and fortune). I can't say whether he'll be correct, but I think he could be. It's an honest, if not direct, answer to the question asked -- and doesn't come across as a threat.
ender7 15y ago
He links to and quotes the same source article one post previous: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/07/schmidt http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/07/schmidt However, I agree; given Gruber's track record I expect him to post a correction soon.
- raganwald 15y ago
  Done: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/08/eric-schmidt-really-said http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/12/08/eric-schmidt-rea...

briancooley 15y ago

Marco's "what will be different in 6 months?" question gave me a chuckle when you consider that native development for the iPhone is only about 3.5 years old and the rapid pace of change in the industry. Anyway, Schmidt enumerated some differences: - he thinks the software (ICS) has caught up to iOS - Google has made it a core objective to get all the hardware vendors on ICS - the Android Market has improved and now offers carrier billing - volume favors Android I don't know if he's right, but it's certainly a reasonable argument and not at all threatening or arrogant. To me, Marco reads something nefarious or coercive into the "whether you like it or not" phrase which I don't think was intended.

dextorious 15y ago
"""Marco's "what will be different in 6 months?" question gave me a chuckle when you consider that native development for the iPhone is only about 3.5 years old and the rapid pace of change in the industry.""" I don't see any disruptive forces to have emerged those 3.5 years. The iPhone retains the lion's share of smartphone profits, and still is where the lion's share of mobile app profits are made. Trending upwards. Android expanded mostly in the low margin, bottom of the barrel, market category, and that's why they have a problem with apps. Do you see anything TODAY that would challenge that in 6 months, or do you believe that something will magically emerge in, say, 3 months to do it? All this "rapid pace" of the last 3.5 years is because a reaction to the iPhone, not something inherent in the industry. The 10 years preceding the iPhone the smartphone industry was boring, with very slow evolution, and marginal differences between models. I know because I was there, using some monstrosities of the era (by Nokia, Sony, etc) and hoping someone would come and build a better f&%^n phone.
fpgeek 15y ago
Not to mention ICS unifying "phone" and "tablet" apps and the growing impact of hybrid devices like the Samsung Galaxy Note. The sooner people realize that the right way to do an Android UI is to have a flexible framework that scales from from a 2.5 inch screen to a 10.1 inch screen with varying pixel densities, the better.