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You say that as though SF hasn't been run exclusively by democrats for 30+ years. Democrat politicians care as little for their constituents as republican.

roflyear 4y ago
At least democrats do not want to take away women's and gay rights.
- deleted 4y ago
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- dustymcp 4y ago
  I doubt all republicns want that either, the problem is that 2 party system makes it all the same which is insane.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Not even the majority want same-sex marriage to be illegal, but only 55% of Republicans support same-sex marriage. That's a low number. 60% of republicans want abortion to be illegal.
joshspankit 4y ago
Y’all are funny in there (US). Every time someone argues that “democratic politicians this” or “republican politicians that” the rest of the world looks at each other like “do they think that they actually have two different parties?” Even based on public policy (and ignoring how their private actions), US democrats are closer to “global centre” but still in many cases to the right of centre.
- Pigalowda 4y ago
  You don’t speak for the rest of the world. And no, democrats are not to the right of center.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    Where do you suppose center is?
    - rayiner 4y ago
      On what issue? Democrats are to the left of the developed world on most social issues. For example, in the EU, neither abortion nor same-sex marriage are recognized as inalienable rights, but rather are afforded as legislative prerogatives: https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2015-09-14/european-court-of-human-rights-decision-on-gay-marriage-in-italy/ https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2015-09-14/eur..., https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/the-right-to-abortion-and-the-european-convention-on-human-rights/ https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/the-right-to-abortion-and-the-... On economic issues, the Democrat mainstream is center to center right compared to Europe. But overlook that social democracies in Europe went through a long conservative retrenchment after the 1960s and 1970s. Look at the corporate tax rates in Sweden.
      - kelseyfrog 4y ago
        On absolute terms. Among the salient issues, what would a center platform entail? The reason I bring this up is because we can then compare your idea of center to examples world wide. I'm specifically challenging you to enumerate your position so that we can escape the, "Well it just is center," circles we would otherwise run in, or the relative terms we seem to be talking about now.
        rayiner 4y ago
        I gave you concrete examples. In particular, on social issues American democrats are on the far left globally because of how they conceive of those issues. They view of abortion or same sex marriage as individual rights that trump society’s power to regulate. By contrast, in most countries where abortion or same sex marriage is permissible, it’s because society has chosen to allow it, subject to whatever circumstances and conditions society has chosen to impose. Abortions, for example, are widely available in Japan to 24 weeks. But that’s because of WWII-era rules put in place by the government to control population growth. The Japanese largely do not think of abortion in terms of society lacking the power to prohibit abortion, as American democrats do.

roflyear 4y ago

At least democrats do not want to take away women's and gay rights.

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dustymcp 4y ago
I doubt all republicns want that either, the problem is that 2 party system makes it all the same which is insane.
- roflyear 4y ago
  Not even the majority want same-sex marriage to be illegal, but only 55% of Republicans support same-sex marriage. That's a low number. 60% of republicans want abortion to be illegal.

joshspankit 4y ago

Y’all are funny in there (US). Every time someone argues that “democratic politicians this” or “republican politicians that” the rest of the world looks at each other like “do they think that they actually have two different parties?” Even based on public policy (and ignoring how their private actions), US democrats are closer to “global centre” but still in many cases to the right of centre.

Pigalowda 4y ago
You don’t speak for the rest of the world. And no, democrats are not to the right of center.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Where do you suppose center is?
  - rayiner 4y ago
    On what issue? Democrats are to the left of the developed world on most social issues. For example, in the EU, neither abortion nor same-sex marriage are recognized as inalienable rights, but rather are afforded as legislative prerogatives: https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2015-09-14/european-court-of-human-rights-decision-on-gay-marriage-in-italy/ https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2015-09-14/eur..., https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/the-right-to-abortion-and-the-european-convention-on-human-rights/ https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/the-right-to-abortion-and-the-... On economic issues, the Democrat mainstream is center to center right compared to Europe. But overlook that social democracies in Europe went through a long conservative retrenchment after the 1960s and 1970s. Look at the corporate tax rates in Sweden.
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      On absolute terms. Among the salient issues, what would a center platform entail? The reason I bring this up is because we can then compare your idea of center to examples world wide. I'm specifically challenging you to enumerate your position so that we can escape the, "Well it just is center," circles we would otherwise run in, or the relative terms we seem to be talking about now.
      - rayiner 4y ago
        I gave you concrete examples. In particular, on social issues American democrats are on the far left globally because of how they conceive of those issues. They view of abortion or same sex marriage as individual rights that trump society’s power to regulate. By contrast, in most countries where abortion or same sex marriage is permissible, it’s because society has chosen to allow it, subject to whatever circumstances and conditions society has chosen to impose. Abortions, for example, are widely available in Japan to 24 weeks. But that’s because of WWII-era rules put in place by the government to control population growth. The Japanese largely do not think of abortion in terms of society lacking the power to prohibit abortion, as American democrats do.