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> Anything other than that outcome will lead to instability for generations. Ukraine was already unstable and divided before Putin's war. That was very well kn

by m000 4y ago

> Anything other than that outcome will lead to instability for generations. Ukraine was already unstable and divided before Putin's war. That was very well known [1]. CIA's "stability" plan was to depose Yanukovych in favour of the pro-west (but equally corrupt as it turned out) Tymoshenko, while keeping Ukraine a unitary state. A truly stability-oriented meddling/intervention would also push Tymoshenko to start the process for making Ukraine a federation. Just as CIA's involvement does not absolve Putin of his war crimes, we just can't oversee how their meddling lead us where we are. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/01/24/this-is-the-one-map-you-need-to-understand-ukraines-crisis/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/01/24...

qaq 4y ago
Yanukovych ran on pro EU platform during the elections so as much as russian propoganda likes to push this very point you are regurgitating it's total BS.
- m000 4y ago
  > Yanukovych ran on pro EU platform Clearly, Russian spies have infiltrated Washington Post and changed the elections map in the article to match the russian propaganda narrative. /s
  - qaq 4y ago
    The election map shows results of a dude/party who ran on Pro EU platform. As much as you like to spin it any other way that is an indisputable fact. Protest erupted when he refused to sign the EU association agreement.
rendall 4y ago
> Anything other than that outcome will lead to instability for generations. >> Ukraine was already unstable and divided before Putin's war. I'm not talking about just Ukraine. I'm talking about Europe in particular and the global community in general. China will be emboldened to take Taiwan and throw its weight around the Pacific. Russia will be emboldened to continue into Moldova (because who cares about Moldova), and then on to the Baltics, the Balkans, Poland and possibly Finland. Then even more nations can experience the joys of being Russia's neighbor. This will happen unless Russia is kneecapped from ever doing anything like this again. Any "negotiated peace" will be used by Russia to revamp and upgrade its military. This must be prevented.
- m000 4y ago
  > Russia will be emboldened to continue into Moldova (because who cares about Moldova), and then on to the Baltics, the Balkans, Poland and possibly Finland. BS. All Baltics and Poland are already NATO members. And even USSR didn't manage to annex any of Poland, Finland, or any of the Balkans. No way today's Russia can do that. They have neither the political or military clout of the USSR. And Moldova, while a feasible target, you said it yourself: who cares (strategically)? It's a poor, landlocked country.
  - rendall 4y ago
    > USSR didn't manage to annex any of Poland, Finland, or any of the Balkans ... Finland not for lack of trying and yes Poland and all of the Balkans were absolutely in the USSR. As for NATO it would just be safer if Russia couldn't even try it.

by m000 4y ago

qaq 4y ago

Yanukovych ran on pro EU platform during the elections so as much as russian propoganda likes to push this very point you are regurgitating it's total BS.

m000 4y ago
> Yanukovych ran on pro EU platform Clearly, Russian spies have infiltrated Washington Post and changed the elections map in the article to match the russian propaganda narrative. /s
- qaq 4y ago
  The election map shows results of a dude/party who ran on Pro EU platform. As much as you like to spin it any other way that is an indisputable fact. Protest erupted when he refused to sign the EU association agreement.

rendall 4y ago

> Anything other than that outcome will lead to instability for generations. >> Ukraine was already unstable and divided before Putin's war. I'm not talking about just Ukraine. I'm talking about Europe in particular and the global community in general. China will be emboldened to take Taiwan and throw its weight around the Pacific. Russia will be emboldened to continue into Moldova (because who cares about Moldova), and then on to the Baltics, the Balkans, Poland and possibly Finland. Then even more nations can experience the joys of being Russia's neighbor. This will happen unless Russia is kneecapped from ever doing anything like this again. Any "negotiated peace" will be used by Russia to revamp and upgrade its military. This must be prevented.

m000 4y ago
> Russia will be emboldened to continue into Moldova (because who cares about Moldova), and then on to the Baltics, the Balkans, Poland and possibly Finland. BS. All Baltics and Poland are already NATO members. And even USSR didn't manage to annex any of Poland, Finland, or any of the Balkans. No way today's Russia can do that. They have neither the political or military clout of the USSR. And Moldova, while a feasible target, you said it yourself: who cares (strategically)? It's a poor, landlocked country.
- rendall 4y ago
  > USSR didn't manage to annex any of Poland, Finland, or any of the Balkans ... Finland not for lack of trying and yes Poland and all of the Balkans were absolutely in the USSR. As for NATO it would just be safer if Russia couldn't even try it.