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No. This war is different. It is a genocidal, expansionist invasion from the last old-school, colonialist empire in Europe, and it has the potential to end our

by refurb 4y ago

No. This war is different. It is a genocidal, expansionist invasion from the last old-school, colonialist empire in Europe, and it has the potential to end our current era of peace. I have no doubt that very similar arguments were made for every single involvement of the US in other countries politics. "If we don't stop [insert country] from doing [insert action] then we're not only risking the security of the US, but also regional and global stability." Rinse and repeat. And hey, it might be a worthy cause for the US to get involved. Or we may fuck it up entirely and make the situation far worse than if we had just stayed out.

kiba 4y ago
Sounds like an excuse to not get involved in something because our pattern of fucking things up. Inaction can mean things go sideway for us just as much as action does.
- refurb 4y ago
  Sounds like an excuse to not get involved in something because our pattern of fucking things up. You're absolutely 100% correct. Our track record is dismal. Out of the dozen of military or covert adventures the US undertook in the 20th century, maybe 2 or 3 turned out well. I'd guess the failure rate is >90%. I prefer LBJ's approach (too bad he didn't follow his own advice): "But we are not about to send American boys 9,000 or 10,000 miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.”" Europe can handle it, let them. I'm ok if we sit this one out.
wiseowise 4y ago
> I have no doubt that very similar arguments were made for every single involvement of the US in other countries politics. Oh that changes everything! “Sorry Ukrainian folks and freedom fighters, even though it applies now, we can’t use this argument again, since we used it as a straw man before! So long.:D” > And hey, it might be a worthy cause for the US to get involved. Or we may fuck it up entirely and make the situation far worse than if we had just stayed out. Right, because Russia is just [insert country], and not a terrorist state that threatens the world with Nuclear annihilation.

by refurb 4y ago

kiba 4y ago

Sounds like an excuse to not get involved in something because our pattern of fucking things up. Inaction can mean things go sideway for us just as much as action does.

refurb 4y ago
Sounds like an excuse to not get involved in something because our pattern of fucking things up. You're absolutely 100% correct. Our track record is dismal. Out of the dozen of military or covert adventures the US undertook in the 20th century, maybe 2 or 3 turned out well. I'd guess the failure rate is >90%. I prefer LBJ's approach (too bad he didn't follow his own advice): "But we are not about to send American boys 9,000 or 10,000 miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.”" Europe can handle it, let them. I'm ok if we sit this one out.

wiseowise 4y ago

> I have no doubt that very similar arguments were made for every single involvement of the US in other countries politics. Oh that changes everything! “Sorry Ukrainian folks and freedom fighters, even though it applies now, we can’t use this argument again, since we used it as a straw man before! So long.:D” > And hey, it might be a worthy cause for the US to get involved. Or we may fuck it up entirely and make the situation far worse than if we had just stayed out. Right, because Russia is just [insert country], and not a terrorist state that threatens the world with Nuclear annihilation.