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Where Microsoft had marketing and familiarity, Apple has/had a better touch (UX as it's often called). Unfortunately for people who entered their ecosystem, th

Where Microsoft had marketing and familiarity, Apple has/had a better touch (UX as it's often called). Unfortunately for people who entered their ecosystem, there is a heavy influence to keep them there (more than a walled garden, an active insulation and inculcation - its hard to take your life elsewhere if you bought into the Apple ecosystem). That's disappeared a bit with the cloud, but native apps still perform better, and a side effect of their walled garden is the apps that do survive tend to lack a lot of the junk and spyware that android users must dodge... I think its a strong word to say "choose" - rather they are compelled. Ofc some choose, but thousands of dollars in, its hard for the average to justify sinking that capital. Android phones don't sync with iCloud, don't connect to Apple TV, don't have iMessage or Facetime (at least I think not), don't sync their music libraries and don't do whatever it is Apple is selling gadget for these days. I think if users were just choosing, it would be as easy to switch as it is to put on a different shirt. I can buy a shirt, I can't choose a phone. I say this as someone unwilling to invest in phones or supporting gadgets, and also not entirely happy with Android either.

scarface74 4y ago
> Unfortunately for people who entered their ecosystem, there is a heavy influence to keep them there (more than a walled garden, an active insulation and inculcation - its hard to take your life elsewhere if you bought into the Apple ecosystem). Where? Any music you bought from iTunes since 2009 was DRM free. Apple Music runs on Android, Amazon Fire devices and a few other non Apple platforms. The AppleTV app is available on every streaming platform and you can watch movies and TV shows you purchased. Apple also participates in the Movies AnyWhere initiative along with most of the major studios. Meaning when you purchase a movie from Apple, Amazon, Google, Vudu etc they are added to all of your libraries. AirPlay support is available on Roku devices as well as a few other platforms. AirPods work as standard BT devices on non iOS devices. The standard file dialog that apps use to save and load files surfaces all of your installed storage providers (Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, etc) equally along with iCloud. If you are on an Android and have to get files off of iCloud, you go to the web. FaceTime has been available for Android for a couple of years. > don't sync their music libraries and don't do whatever it is Apple is selling gadget for these days. Almost everyone uses a streaming service in 2022 and Apple Music is available for Android.
- smaudet 4y ago
  All your examples seem to be of running Apple stuff on Android. None of it is about actually moving off it. The few examples you mention such as bluetooth and mp3 files from iTunes are to do with an industry standard, not because of something Apple did. ” Apple also participates in the Movies AnyWhere initiative along with most of the major studios. Meaning when you purchase a movie from Apple, Amazon, Google, Vudu etc they are added to all of your libraries.” I am not familiar with this, which libraries where? Regardless, this doesnt seem like a winning proposition "Use android and just use all our apps on it", why?? You switch off Apple because it has issues so you continue to use Apple? Better off never to enter in the first place.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    > The few examples you mention such as bluetooth and mp3 files from iTunes are to do with an industry standard, not because of something Apple did. “The industry” didn’t push for DRM free music. Apple did. https://macdailynews.com/2007/02/06/apple_ceo_steve_jobs_posts_rare_open_letter_thoughts_on_music/ https://macdailynews.com/2007/02/06/apple_ceo_steve_jobs_pos... “The Industry” wanted Apple to license FairPlay DRM to other sellers. The claim was that you were locked into Apple’s ecosystem. The truth is that you can just as easily have a mix of Apple, Android Macs and Windows. I forgot to mention that Apple has official plugins for Chrome and Firefox for Windows that let you sync bookmarks with Safari/iCloud. > I am not familiar with this, which libraries where https://help.moviesanywhere.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004576106-What-is-Movies-Anywhere- https://help.moviesanywhere.com/hc/en-us/articles/1150045761... It’s not a backdoor hack. > Regardless, this doesnt seem like a winning proposition "Use android and just use all our apps on it", why?? You switch off Apple because it has issues so you continue to use Apple? All what apps? You copy your files from iCloud to another storage provider. There are plenty of utilities that allow you to copy playlists over. Music you bought from iTunes is DRM free, etc. No company that you buy TV shows from allow you to transfer them DRN free and there is nothing that Apple can do about the movie studios that won’t participate in MoviesAnywhere. If you buy a digital book from Amazon, you have to use “their app” on other platforms. If you use Google Docs, you have to either export it or use “their apps” on other platforms. What’s the difference?

scarface74 4y ago

> Unfortunately for people who entered their ecosystem, there is a heavy influence to keep them there (more than a walled garden, an active insulation and inculcation - its hard to take your life elsewhere if you bought into the Apple ecosystem). Where? Any music you bought from iTunes since 2009 was DRM free. Apple Music runs on Android, Amazon Fire devices and a few other non Apple platforms. The AppleTV app is available on every streaming platform and you can watch movies and TV shows you purchased. Apple also participates in the Movies AnyWhere initiative along with most of the major studios. Meaning when you purchase a movie from Apple, Amazon, Google, Vudu etc they are added to all of your libraries. AirPlay support is available on Roku devices as well as a few other platforms. AirPods work as standard BT devices on non iOS devices. The standard file dialog that apps use to save and load files surfaces all of your installed storage providers (Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, etc) equally along with iCloud. If you are on an Android and have to get files off of iCloud, you go to the web. FaceTime has been available for Android for a couple of years. > don't sync their music libraries and don't do whatever it is Apple is selling gadget for these days. Almost everyone uses a streaming service in 2022 and Apple Music is available for Android.

smaudet 4y ago
All your examples seem to be of running Apple stuff on Android. None of it is about actually moving off it. The few examples you mention such as bluetooth and mp3 files from iTunes are to do with an industry standard, not because of something Apple did. ” Apple also participates in the Movies AnyWhere initiative along with most of the major studios. Meaning when you purchase a movie from Apple, Amazon, Google, Vudu etc they are added to all of your libraries.” I am not familiar with this, which libraries where? Regardless, this doesnt seem like a winning proposition "Use android and just use all our apps on it", why?? You switch off Apple because it has issues so you continue to use Apple? Better off never to enter in the first place.
- scarface74 4y ago
  > The few examples you mention such as bluetooth and mp3 files from iTunes are to do with an industry standard, not because of something Apple did. “The industry” didn’t push for DRM free music. Apple did. https://macdailynews.com/2007/02/06/apple_ceo_steve_jobs_posts_rare_open_letter_thoughts_on_music/ https://macdailynews.com/2007/02/06/apple_ceo_steve_jobs_pos... “The Industry” wanted Apple to license FairPlay DRM to other sellers. The claim was that you were locked into Apple’s ecosystem. The truth is that you can just as easily have a mix of Apple, Android Macs and Windows. I forgot to mention that Apple has official plugins for Chrome and Firefox for Windows that let you sync bookmarks with Safari/iCloud. > I am not familiar with this, which libraries where https://help.moviesanywhere.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004576106-What-is-Movies-Anywhere- https://help.moviesanywhere.com/hc/en-us/articles/1150045761... It’s not a backdoor hack. > Regardless, this doesnt seem like a winning proposition "Use android and just use all our apps on it", why?? You switch off Apple because it has issues so you continue to use Apple? All what apps? You copy your files from iCloud to another storage provider. There are plenty of utilities that allow you to copy playlists over. Music you bought from iTunes is DRM free, etc. No company that you buy TV shows from allow you to transfer them DRN free and there is nothing that Apple can do about the movie studios that won’t participate in MoviesAnywhere. If you buy a digital book from Amazon, you have to use “their app” on other platforms. If you use Google Docs, you have to either export it or use “their apps” on other platforms. What’s the difference?