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This is of course an excellent point: Microsoft getting repeatedly fined and slapped with anti-trust violations had actual results on their business practices.

This is of course an excellent point: Microsoft getting repeatedly fined and slapped with anti-trust violations had actual results on their business practices. It might not have stopped them from other problematic behaviors, put certainly had a braking effect on the "nothing can stop us" train they were riding. The direct effect could be the Windows Phone not crushing the better options, yes. As you point out, Apple and Google sure need the same treatment, and it seems something is finally happening after all these years of abuse.

vkou 4y ago
I wouldn't describe Nokia, Blackberry, or Palm as 'better options' in that space.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  I'm not sure what you are pointing at, what are Nokia, Blackberry, or Palm alternatives of ? They all peaked at different areas and I feel little overlap.
  - vkou 4y ago
    Your post had a few implications. 1. There were phones better than Windows Phone. 2. Microsoft failed to bully its way into dominance with a worse product. 3. Google and Apple, on the other hand, did. What were the better products than Windows Phone? Certainly it wasn't Palm, Nokia, or Blackberry. You don't seem to think so, either. Was it Android and IOS? Does this mean you think they are the better/best products? If so, why do you also assert #3?
    - makeitdouble 4y ago
      I see iOS and android as fundamentally better than the Windows Phone. Windows Phone was an innovative idea and a breeze of fresh air, but was way too opinionated and only shined in some specific usage patterns. That’s why I think developers had such a hard time to adapt to it. If I had to choose a dead horse, I’d choose Palm’s WebOS as a more viable idea that was very poorly executed and way too early for the market. > Google and Apple, on the other hand, did. Both these companies bullied competition in other aspects than the OS in itself. Google bullied makers through the Play Store+Play services bundling, forcing them to get rid of preinstalled third party stores and keep the Google search widget on the home screen and Google as the default search engine. Apple bullied app makers by kicking any third party store, third party web engine, blocked third party content store and mail clients from getting default status. Apple’s top position as a music service comes from the iPod, but was also clearly cemented by locking out competition as the iPhone was the top selling smartphone. People are a lot more divided on where’s Apple’s fault, but at least I don’t see it as an issue of OS bundling the same way Microsoft crossed the line on OS bundling. Times have changed in this respect.

vkou 4y ago

I wouldn't describe Nokia, Blackberry, or Palm as 'better options' in that space.

makeitdouble 4y ago
I'm not sure what you are pointing at, what are Nokia, Blackberry, or Palm alternatives of ? They all peaked at different areas and I feel little overlap.
- vkou 4y ago
  Your post had a few implications. 1. There were phones better than Windows Phone. 2. Microsoft failed to bully its way into dominance with a worse product. 3. Google and Apple, on the other hand, did. What were the better products than Windows Phone? Certainly it wasn't Palm, Nokia, or Blackberry. You don't seem to think so, either. Was it Android and IOS? Does this mean you think they are the better/best products? If so, why do you also assert #3?
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    I see iOS and android as fundamentally better than the Windows Phone. Windows Phone was an innovative idea and a breeze of fresh air, but was way too opinionated and only shined in some specific usage patterns. That’s why I think developers had such a hard time to adapt to it. If I had to choose a dead horse, I’d choose Palm’s WebOS as a more viable idea that was very poorly executed and way too early for the market. > Google and Apple, on the other hand, did. Both these companies bullied competition in other aspects than the OS in itself. Google bullied makers through the Play Store+Play services bundling, forcing them to get rid of preinstalled third party stores and keep the Google search widget on the home screen and Google as the default search engine. Apple bullied app makers by kicking any third party store, third party web engine, blocked third party content store and mail clients from getting default status. Apple’s top position as a music service comes from the iPod, but was also clearly cemented by locking out competition as the iPhone was the top selling smartphone. People are a lot more divided on where’s Apple’s fault, but at least I don’t see it as an issue of OS bundling the same way Microsoft crossed the line on OS bundling. Times have changed in this respect.