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What's with all these aspersions about European politicians? What do they have to do with the topic at hand?

by rnk 4y ago

novok 4y ago
Where do you think the proposed laws are coming from? It's extra bad when they act hypocritical too.
qhAGS 4y ago
anigbrowl 4y ago
- girvo 4y ago
  It’s remarkably widespread, too, though I suppose that shouldn’t be surprising. The sadder part is when it gets repeated enough by these brand new accounts, it seems to permeate enough that actual people begin repeating it.
- RamblingCTO 4y ago
  Yeah, you're in the wrong here dude. Ursula von der Leyen, also known as Zensursula in Germany, is driving this topic forward for ages now.
  - Rexxar 4y ago
    The problem is not that she is right or wrong, the problem is that people can't disagree peacefully any more because a lot of people are pushing hateful narrative everywhere (from every sides of the political spectrum). And telling that some authoritarian state are pushing this tendencies to undermine democratic countries can sadly make your comment flagged here.
    - RamblingCTO 4y ago
      As you can see happened to parent ...
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    You seem confused, as I have not commented on this person now or at any time in the past.
    - RamblingCTO 4y ago
      Seriously? Look at the parent your commenting on ... I'm saying that your critique hit the wrong comment. You may not know it, but you commented on her indirectly. Maybe get to know the topic a bit more before commenting without knowing a thing. You're calling bs on parent, but parent is right, you dismiss it because you have no clue what you're talking about.
Rexxar 4y ago
- ivan_the_troll 4y ago
- Test0129 4y ago
  [flagged]
ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
If these politicians are supportive of invasive surveillance, then "You first" is a decent rebuttal. Let the politicians make ALL their phone OS and data open, then we can talk about letting them install bugs into our phones. So perhaps GP is casting aspersions to bring attention to something fishy that deserves a (privacy-violating) investigation. Mind, I am not under EU law and don't know who these specific politicians are, let alone whether the allegations against them have merit.
- bombolo 4y ago
  Ursula von der Leyen's response to the initial (for europe) covid outbrake in Italy was that it was Italy's problem alone and to not ask for money or any support. She of course is opposed to waiving patents on covid vaccines. As Italian I'm ashamed that my country voted against patent waiving, which would have benefitted Cuba and other poorer countries, after we received aid from Cuba.
  - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
    Patent waiving is a dick move. If we want to help Cuba then we should buy those doses for Cuba, not sabotage a company to maybe help but then not actually follow through and make sure people benefit. By negotiating a sale for all 7b of us at once we could get the best deal without any games.
    - LtWorf 4y ago
      sabotage a company that used a ton of public money to develop a vaccine and is then selling it back to us… Such sabotage.
      - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
        Yes, anything that interferes with their ability to do business is sabotage. We should have given them the money with some strings attached.
zx10rse 4y ago
Everything. "The plot thickened further after the European Court of Auditors published a report today, accusing the Commission of refusing to disclose any details of Commission President Ursula von der Leyen's personal role in the talks." - https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-stonewalls-over-von-der-leyens-role-in-multi-billion-euro-pfizer-jab-deal/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-stonewalls-over-von-der-l... We have a saying here - everyone are equal but some are more equal than others, which doesn't fit very well in a union that is supposed to be a beacon for democracy and human rights, quite the opposite it is slowly becoming into something very grotesque.
- jcynix 4y ago
  https://interestingliterature.com/2021/05/orwell-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-more-equal-than-others-meaning-analysis/ https://interestingliterature.com/2021/05/orwell-all-animals...

What's with all these aspersions about European politicians? What do they have to do with the topic at hand?

by rnk 4y ago

What's with all these aspersions about European politicians? What do they have to do with the topic at hand?

novok 4y ago

Where do you think the proposed laws are coming from? It's extra bad when they act hypocritical too.

qhAGS 4y ago

anigbrowl 4y ago

girvo 4y ago
It’s remarkably widespread, too, though I suppose that shouldn’t be surprising. The sadder part is when it gets repeated enough by these brand new accounts, it seems to permeate enough that actual people begin repeating it.
RamblingCTO 4y ago
Yeah, you're in the wrong here dude. Ursula von der Leyen, also known as Zensursula in Germany, is driving this topic forward for ages now.
- Rexxar 4y ago
  The problem is not that she is right or wrong, the problem is that people can't disagree peacefully any more because a lot of people are pushing hateful narrative everywhere (from every sides of the political spectrum). And telling that some authoritarian state are pushing this tendencies to undermine democratic countries can sadly make your comment flagged here.
  - RamblingCTO 4y ago
    As you can see happened to parent ...
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  You seem confused, as I have not commented on this person now or at any time in the past.
  - RamblingCTO 4y ago
    Seriously? Look at the parent your commenting on ... I'm saying that your critique hit the wrong comment. You may not know it, but you commented on her indirectly. Maybe get to know the topic a bit more before commenting without knowing a thing. You're calling bs on parent, but parent is right, you dismiss it because you have no clue what you're talking about.

Rexxar 4y ago

ivan_the_troll 4y ago
Test0129 4y ago
[flagged]

ravel-bar-foo 4y ago

If these politicians are supportive of invasive surveillance, then "You first" is a decent rebuttal. Let the politicians make ALL their phone OS and data open, then we can talk about letting them install bugs into our phones. So perhaps GP is casting aspersions to bring attention to something fishy that deserves a (privacy-violating) investigation. Mind, I am not under EU law and don't know who these specific politicians are, let alone whether the allegations against them have merit.

bombolo 4y ago
Ursula von der Leyen's response to the initial (for europe) covid outbrake in Italy was that it was Italy's problem alone and to not ask for money or any support. She of course is opposed to waiving patents on covid vaccines. As Italian I'm ashamed that my country voted against patent waiving, which would have benefitted Cuba and other poorer countries, after we received aid from Cuba.
- LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
  Patent waiving is a dick move. If we want to help Cuba then we should buy those doses for Cuba, not sabotage a company to maybe help but then not actually follow through and make sure people benefit. By negotiating a sale for all 7b of us at once we could get the best deal without any games.
  - LtWorf 4y ago
    sabotage a company that used a ton of public money to develop a vaccine and is then selling it back to us… Such sabotage.
    - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
      Yes, anything that interferes with their ability to do business is sabotage. We should have given them the money with some strings attached.

zx10rse 4y ago

Everything. "The plot thickened further after the European Court of Auditors published a report today, accusing the Commission of refusing to disclose any details of Commission President Ursula von der Leyen's personal role in the talks." - https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-stonewalls-over-von-der-leyens-role-in-multi-billion-euro-pfizer-jab-deal/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-stonewalls-over-von-der-l... We have a saying here - everyone are equal but some are more equal than others, which doesn't fit very well in a union that is supposed to be a beacon for democracy and human rights, quite the opposite it is slowly becoming into something very grotesque.

jcynix 4y ago
https://interestingliterature.com/2021/05/orwell-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-more-equal-than-others-meaning-analysis/ https://interestingliterature.com/2021/05/orwell-all-animals...