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The European Commission and von der Leyen are at it again. I presume that her conversations with Katrin Suder and Mc Kinsey have not been scanned. Unlike the pl

The European Commission and von der Leyen are at it again. I presume that her conversations with Katrin Suder and Mc Kinsey have not been scanned. Unlike the plebs, perhaps they have their own mail servers like Hilary Clinton: https://www.dw.com/en/german-opposition-to-probe-defense-minister-over-spending-scandal/a-46704514 https://www.dw.com/en/german-opposition-to-probe-defense-min... "The investigative committee will examine irregularities in a contract awarded to McKinsey and a €390 million ($442 million) IT contract given to another company that failed to pass through the company's supervisory board as required. It will also investigate whether von der Leyen committed nepotism by hiring Katrin Suder, a former McKinsey consultant, as her deputy to oversee the ministry's arms procurement section." I think the presentation in stopscanningme.eu is too kind. We should not have to beg for our constitutional rights.

rnk 4y ago
What's with all these aspersions about European politicians? What do they have to do with the topic at hand?
- novok 4y ago
  Where do you think the proposed laws are coming from? It's extra bad when they act hypocritical too.
- qhAGS 4y ago
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  - girvo 4y ago
    It’s remarkably widespread, too, though I suppose that shouldn’t be surprising. The sadder part is when it gets repeated enough by these brand new accounts, it seems to permeate enough that actual people begin repeating it.
  - RamblingCTO 4y ago
    Yeah, you're in the wrong here dude. Ursula von der Leyen, also known as Zensursula in Germany, is driving this topic forward for ages now.
    - Rexxar 4y ago
      The problem is not that she is right or wrong, the problem is that people can't disagree peacefully any more because a lot of people are pushing hateful narrative everywhere (from every sides of the political spectrum). And telling that some authoritarian state are pushing this tendencies to undermine democratic countries can sadly make your comment flagged here.
      - RamblingCTO 4y ago
        As you can see happened to parent ...
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      You seem confused, as I have not commented on this person now or at any time in the past.
      - RamblingCTO 4y ago
        Seriously? Look at the parent your commenting on ... I'm saying that your critique hit the wrong comment. You may not know it, but you commented on her indirectly. Maybe get to know the topic a bit more before commenting without knowing a thing. You're calling bs on parent, but parent is right, you dismiss it because you have no clue what you're talking about.
- Rexxar 4y ago
  - ivan_the_troll 4y ago
  - Test0129 4y ago
    [flagged]
- ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
  If these politicians are supportive of invasive surveillance, then "You first" is a decent rebuttal. Let the politicians make ALL their phone OS and data open, then we can talk about letting them install bugs into our phones. So perhaps GP is casting aspersions to bring attention to something fishy that deserves a (privacy-violating) investigation. Mind, I am not under EU law and don't know who these specific politicians are, let alone whether the allegations against them have merit.
  - bombolo 4y ago
    Ursula von der Leyen's response to the initial (for europe) covid outbrake in Italy was that it was Italy's problem alone and to not ask for money or any support. She of course is opposed to waiving patents on covid vaccines. As Italian I'm ashamed that my country voted against patent waiving, which would have benefitted Cuba and other poorer countries, after we received aid from Cuba.
    - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
      Patent waiving is a dick move. If we want to help Cuba then we should buy those doses for Cuba, not sabotage a company to maybe help but then not actually follow through and make sure people benefit. By negotiating a sale for all 7b of us at once we could get the best deal without any games.
      - LtWorf 4y ago
        sabotage a company that used a ton of public money to develop a vaccine and is then selling it back to us… Such sabotage.
        LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
        Yes, anything that interferes with their ability to do business is sabotage. We should have given them the money with some strings attached.
- zx10rse 4y ago
  Everything. "The plot thickened further after the European Court of Auditors published a report today, accusing the Commission of refusing to disclose any details of Commission President Ursula von der Leyen's personal role in the talks." - https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-stonewalls-over-von-der-leyens-role-in-multi-billion-euro-pfizer-jab-deal/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-stonewalls-over-von-der-l... We have a saying here - everyone are equal but some are more equal than others, which doesn't fit very well in a union that is supposed to be a beacon for democracy and human rights, quite the opposite it is slowly becoming into something very grotesque.
  - jcynix 4y ago
    https://interestingliterature.com/2021/05/orwell-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-more-equal-than-others-meaning-analysis/ https://interestingliterature.com/2021/05/orwell-all-animals...
sixothree 4y ago
What about the constitution makes you believe you have a right to privacy? Seriously.
- Etheryte 4y ago
  Not sure about the country you're from, but many European countries have the right to a private life in their constitution in one wording or another.
  - sixothree 4y ago
    I assumed he was American, 100% because this is such a commonly held misbelief here. Not having a right to privacy (between you and a doctor for example) is how we make abortion illegal.
- nix23 4y ago
  Well for example in germany Art 10(1): >Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich. >The secrecy(privacy) of correspondence and the secrecy of mail and telecommunications are inviolable. And it's more or less the same in Switzerland....but honestly in what country do you live where privacy is not a fundamental right? It even part of the UN Human Rights Convention: >Niemand darf willkürlichen oder rechtswidrigen Eingriffen in sein Privatleben, seine Familie, seine Wohnung und seinen Schriftverkehr oder rechtswidrigen Beeinträchtigungen seiner Ehre und seines Rufes ausgesetzt werden. >No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her private life, family, home and correspondence, or to unlawful impairment of his or her honor and reputation.
Proven 4y ago

rnk 4y ago

What's with all these aspersions about European politicians? What do they have to do with the topic at hand?

novok 4y ago
Where do you think the proposed laws are coming from? It's extra bad when they act hypocritical too.
qhAGS 4y ago
anigbrowl 4y ago
- girvo 4y ago
  It’s remarkably widespread, too, though I suppose that shouldn’t be surprising. The sadder part is when it gets repeated enough by these brand new accounts, it seems to permeate enough that actual people begin repeating it.
- RamblingCTO 4y ago
  Yeah, you're in the wrong here dude. Ursula von der Leyen, also known as Zensursula in Germany, is driving this topic forward for ages now.
  - Rexxar 4y ago
    The problem is not that she is right or wrong, the problem is that people can't disagree peacefully any more because a lot of people are pushing hateful narrative everywhere (from every sides of the political spectrum). And telling that some authoritarian state are pushing this tendencies to undermine democratic countries can sadly make your comment flagged here.
    - RamblingCTO 4y ago
      As you can see happened to parent ...
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    You seem confused, as I have not commented on this person now or at any time in the past.
    - RamblingCTO 4y ago
      Seriously? Look at the parent your commenting on ... I'm saying that your critique hit the wrong comment. You may not know it, but you commented on her indirectly. Maybe get to know the topic a bit more before commenting without knowing a thing. You're calling bs on parent, but parent is right, you dismiss it because you have no clue what you're talking about.
Rexxar 4y ago
- ivan_the_troll 4y ago
- Test0129 4y ago
  [flagged]
ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
If these politicians are supportive of invasive surveillance, then "You first" is a decent rebuttal. Let the politicians make ALL their phone OS and data open, then we can talk about letting them install bugs into our phones. So perhaps GP is casting aspersions to bring attention to something fishy that deserves a (privacy-violating) investigation. Mind, I am not under EU law and don't know who these specific politicians are, let alone whether the allegations against them have merit.
- bombolo 4y ago
  Ursula von der Leyen's response to the initial (for europe) covid outbrake in Italy was that it was Italy's problem alone and to not ask for money or any support. She of course is opposed to waiving patents on covid vaccines. As Italian I'm ashamed that my country voted against patent waiving, which would have benefitted Cuba and other poorer countries, after we received aid from Cuba.
  - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
    Patent waiving is a dick move. If we want to help Cuba then we should buy those doses for Cuba, not sabotage a company to maybe help but then not actually follow through and make sure people benefit. By negotiating a sale for all 7b of us at once we could get the best deal without any games.
    - LtWorf 4y ago
      sabotage a company that used a ton of public money to develop a vaccine and is then selling it back to us… Such sabotage.
      - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
        Yes, anything that interferes with their ability to do business is sabotage. We should have given them the money with some strings attached.
zx10rse 4y ago
Everything. "The plot thickened further after the European Court of Auditors published a report today, accusing the Commission of refusing to disclose any details of Commission President Ursula von der Leyen's personal role in the talks." - https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-stonewalls-over-von-der-leyens-role-in-multi-billion-euro-pfizer-jab-deal/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-stonewalls-over-von-der-l... We have a saying here - everyone are equal but some are more equal than others, which doesn't fit very well in a union that is supposed to be a beacon for democracy and human rights, quite the opposite it is slowly becoming into something very grotesque.
- jcynix 4y ago
  https://interestingliterature.com/2021/05/orwell-all-animals-are-equal-but-some-more-equal-than-others-meaning-analysis/ https://interestingliterature.com/2021/05/orwell-all-animals...

sixothree 4y ago

What about the constitution makes you believe you have a right to privacy? Seriously.

Etheryte 4y ago
Not sure about the country you're from, but many European countries have the right to a private life in their constitution in one wording or another.
- sixothree 4y ago
  I assumed he was American, 100% because this is such a commonly held misbelief here. Not having a right to privacy (between you and a doctor for example) is how we make abortion illegal.
nix23 4y ago
Well for example in germany Art 10(1): >Das Briefgeheimnis sowie das Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis sind unverletzlich. >The secrecy(privacy) of correspondence and the secrecy of mail and telecommunications are inviolable. And it's more or less the same in Switzerland....but honestly in what country do you live where privacy is not a fundamental right? It even part of the UN Human Rights Convention: >Niemand darf willkürlichen oder rechtswidrigen Eingriffen in sein Privatleben, seine Familie, seine Wohnung und seinen Schriftverkehr oder rechtswidrigen Beeinträchtigungen seiner Ehre und seines Rufes ausgesetzt werden. >No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her private life, family, home and correspondence, or to unlawful impairment of his or her honor and reputation.

Proven 4y ago