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A lot of people have sampled literally everything in music and it is very very uncommon to get sued for creating something substantially different. I fail to se

A lot of people have sampled literally everything in music and it is very very uncommon to get sued for creating something substantially different. I fail to see how AI is any different. People need to realize that IP enforcement is a very leaky sieve at best, and that the very concept of intellectual property is an affront to the nature of information and ideas, particularly in a digital realm where bits are free to be copied at will The sooner we come to this realization, and those that stand to profit from IP enforcement bullshit take their monetization elsewhere, the better off we will be as a species.

capableweb 4y ago
A lot of established artists (or upcoming artists) don't just randomly sample stuff, release it and call it a day. Usually songs go through a "sample clearing" pass where all the samples are "cleared", meaning basically licensed for use. Usually you don't do that until right before releasing it (it's not part of the conception of the song, to make sure you're using cleared samples), but most popular released music has cleared samples before releasing the songs. If you're not familiar with the process, you can read about it here: https://medium.com/the-courtroom/the-art-of-clearing-a-sample-deciding-if-its-worth-it-and-how-to-actually-do-e26fa56ad090 https://medium.com/the-courtroom/the-art-of-clearing-a-sampl...
- pdntspa 4y ago
  I don't think that most of Beatport's or Bandcamp's catalogue has gone through that clearance process, and I'd wager a large part of Spotify (via tunecore/etc) hasn't either Nobody has ever given me any crap for the blatant sampling I do from old movies and video games, though I am a nobody and they are always a small (if focal) part of a much larger and original work
  - capableweb 4y ago
    They probably haven't, yet ;) But if a song (yours or other people's songs on Beatport/Bandcamp/Spotify) becomes popular enough and it has samples you haven't cleared, expect your door to be knocked on by some of the right holders who are gonna ask you to pay up. There are plenty of cases of unknown people making songs that become popular overnight and then get stuck in long litigations regarding sample usage. Obviously they're not gonna go after music makers who barely have any listeners.
mikkergp 4y ago
The blurred lines lawsuit may be a good counter example where Marvin Gaye’s family was awarded 7.4 million dollars because the song blurred lines copied the “feel” and “sound” of “Got to Give it Up”. I think it’s ultimately going to rest less on the details of specific examples or the nature of the underlying technology and more on how much money is involved.

capableweb 4y ago

A lot of established artists (or upcoming artists) don't just randomly sample stuff, release it and call it a day. Usually songs go through a "sample clearing" pass where all the samples are "cleared", meaning basically licensed for use. Usually you don't do that until right before releasing it (it's not part of the conception of the song, to make sure you're using cleared samples), but most popular released music has cleared samples before releasing the songs. If you're not familiar with the process, you can read about it here: https://medium.com/the-courtroom/the-art-of-clearing-a-sample-deciding-if-its-worth-it-and-how-to-actually-do-e26fa56ad090 https://medium.com/the-courtroom/the-art-of-clearing-a-sampl...

pdntspa 4y ago
I don't think that most of Beatport's or Bandcamp's catalogue has gone through that clearance process, and I'd wager a large part of Spotify (via tunecore/etc) hasn't either Nobody has ever given me any crap for the blatant sampling I do from old movies and video games, though I am a nobody and they are always a small (if focal) part of a much larger and original work
- capableweb 4y ago
  They probably haven't, yet ;) But if a song (yours or other people's songs on Beatport/Bandcamp/Spotify) becomes popular enough and it has samples you haven't cleared, expect your door to be knocked on by some of the right holders who are gonna ask you to pay up. There are plenty of cases of unknown people making songs that become popular overnight and then get stuck in long litigations regarding sample usage. Obviously they're not gonna go after music makers who barely have any listeners.

mikkergp 4y ago

The blurred lines lawsuit may be a good counter example where Marvin Gaye’s family was awarded 7.4 million dollars because the song blurred lines copied the “feel” and “sound” of “Got to Give it Up”. I think it’s ultimately going to rest less on the details of specific examples or the nature of the underlying technology and more on how much money is involved.