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I'm always shocked at how other people live. Not in a bad way though... but I just do at least a handful of things weekly that just wouldn't work, living in a

by robswc 4y ago

I'm always shocked at how other people live. Not in a bad way though... but I just do at least a handful of things weekly that just wouldn't work, living in a place like that. By all means tho, if people enjoy them and they 'work' then keep building them.

thfuran 4y ago
What kind of things?
- robswc 4y ago
  well, in the last week off the top of my head: - playing guitar with amp (yea, you can w/o but less fun haha) - loading up all our bikes to go to a scenic trail (getting cold, so also packing heavier clothes takes up space) - transported a ridiculously heavy side table, picked it up from friends house. - 3D printing. I suppose could be done but the fumes get unpleasant after awhile, best in a shed or garage. - bulk buying groceries to save money (technically my wife handles this but I've done it before) I'm sure I could think of a few more and I do have "edge cases" that come about because I just like to build things (usually involving PVC pipes, lol). I guess my point is that I just couldn't do many of these things in an apartment, I certainly tried ahah.
  - wewtyflakes 4y ago
    It seems like you just have different priorities, which is fine. Other people may prefer being able to walk to a bar instead of having to take an Uber, or being able to meet up with friends without having to make it a planned-for event, and so on. The thought of optimizing my life around loading side tables seems bananas to me, but it isn't to you, and that's cool.
    - robswc 4y ago
      >optimizing my life around loading side tables Rather interesting (disingenuous) take away from my comment, ahah. That aside... is that not what I mostly said in my first comment? I totally agree. I don't enjoy bars. If you do and want to pay the premium for that, totally fine by me.
      - TulliusCicero 4y ago
        There's a premium to be paid either way. If you live out in the burbs, the premium is that transportation costs are usually much higher (you generally need one car per adult, and you drive quite a bit). Sometimes there's also a premium in terms of time, depending on commute or how often you want to go to events or things located in the city. When our family of three was living on the outskirts of Munich, our local transportation costs were low, since we used transit + bikes (including an electric cargo bike) to get around. It was much cheaper than even having one car like we did/do in the states.
        robswc 4y ago
        Well sure, there are costs to transportation. Only in the most extreme circumstances could you make them close to equal tho, all other factors staying the same.
        TulliusCicero 4y ago
        This isn't true.
        robswc 4y ago
        How do you figure? Only way this seems plausible is if you constantly opt to buy two brand new cars as soon as you finish paying them off, for the rest of your life. In my searching for a place, you're looking at a 1.5-2k premium for a comparable place _in_ the city vs 20-30 minutes out of it. That's roughly $20k a year in just rent alone, which is the price of a decent car.
        jltsiren 4y ago
        That's the premium you would have to pay for a comparable place, but a comparable place is actually not that comparable. Urban lifestyle is fundamentally different from suburban lifestyle, focusing more on doing things outside your home. A better comparison would be based on what urban people in your social class are paying for housing. Much in the same way, it's not reasonable to compare suburban and rural costs of living by assuming similar homes. For example, beachfront properties tend to be quite expensive in the suburbia, and private lakes even more so.
  - TulliusCicero 4y ago
    Yup, doing all of those in an apartment would be...difficult. Some of them a townhome/duplex would probably handle fine though, and note that superblocks still allow residents cars, they just have to drive really slowly within the superblock, and you can't really cross through it, so you can still do things like transport heavy tables.
    - robswc 4y ago
      I was looking into a townhouse at one point. We figured we should just go with a house though, all things considered. Maybe if we were more "adventurous" haha.
  - tekla 4y ago
    Wow, I do this shit all the time in my apt and its literally never been thought for me. - playing guitar with amp - I do it just fine, i just use headphones during the night, during the day I dont turn it to 11 - loading up all our bikes to go to a scenic trail - not a issue, have multiple bikes stored and fits into a rental just fine. Done it many times to go upstate and do 30+ mile bike rides to NJ - transported a ridiculously heavy side table - Simple. get a truck and a buddy. - 3D printing own 3+ 3D printers. Not an issue printing. - bulk buying groceries - Cart + bag. Eat 2 weeks at a time with one trip. Takes 20 minutes I dont think you tried very hard to actually make things work
    - robswc 4y ago
      >I dont think you tried very hard to actually make things work Why should I have to try harder to make things work, when they work just fine as they are? All of your proposed changes involve spending either more money (renting a place w/o paper walls, renting a car, renting storage) or rely on luck/circumstance (if everyone followed your advice, there would be no "buddy with a truck" - lol). >Not an issue printing. Are they resin printers? You _could_ do that printing in an apartment but you're looking at having to run a ton of fans and hope you have good circulation. I took mine to a friend's house and it unfortunately smelled like plastic for longer than we wanted and just not nearly as easy as having a table/bench in a shed or garage. >bulk buying groceries - Cart + bag. Eat 2 weeks at a time with one trip. Takes 20 minutes Wym? You mean you take a cart to the store, from the apartment? Or a cart's worth of groceries?
      - Baeocystin 4y ago
        Just a minor aside on 3D Printing- if you use PLA, it doesn't release anything nasty like ABS does, and it smells vaguely of popcorn, which is kind of nice.
  - amusedcyclist 4y ago
    1. you just need to sound proof your place. 2. Biking in Barcelona is pretty cool actually and theres mountains right outside. Ideally you wouldn't need to drive your bikes to start biking. 3. sure but most people don't need a ridiculously heavy table 4. yeah this one makes sense, it does require space and is unique and cool. Maybe shared spaces for the community ? 5. You are mostly bottlenecked by the size of your fridge not by the size of your apartment
  - rdedev 4y ago
    Point 5 is what I love about my home in India. If we needed to buy in bulk we would take the car and head to the city. But otherwise almost all kind of groceries is like a few mins walk away from my home. It's hard to find this kind of flexibility in the US

by robswc 4y ago

thfuran 4y ago

What kind of things?

robswc 4y ago
well, in the last week off the top of my head: - playing guitar with amp (yea, you can w/o but less fun haha) - loading up all our bikes to go to a scenic trail (getting cold, so also packing heavier clothes takes up space) - transported a ridiculously heavy side table, picked it up from friends house. - 3D printing. I suppose could be done but the fumes get unpleasant after awhile, best in a shed or garage. - bulk buying groceries to save money (technically my wife handles this but I've done it before) I'm sure I could think of a few more and I do have "edge cases" that come about because I just like to build things (usually involving PVC pipes, lol). I guess my point is that I just couldn't do many of these things in an apartment, I certainly tried ahah.
- wewtyflakes 4y ago
  It seems like you just have different priorities, which is fine. Other people may prefer being able to walk to a bar instead of having to take an Uber, or being able to meet up with friends without having to make it a planned-for event, and so on. The thought of optimizing my life around loading side tables seems bananas to me, but it isn't to you, and that's cool.
  - robswc 4y ago
    >optimizing my life around loading side tables Rather interesting (disingenuous) take away from my comment, ahah. That aside... is that not what I mostly said in my first comment? I totally agree. I don't enjoy bars. If you do and want to pay the premium for that, totally fine by me.
    - TulliusCicero 4y ago
      There's a premium to be paid either way. If you live out in the burbs, the premium is that transportation costs are usually much higher (you generally need one car per adult, and you drive quite a bit). Sometimes there's also a premium in terms of time, depending on commute or how often you want to go to events or things located in the city. When our family of three was living on the outskirts of Munich, our local transportation costs were low, since we used transit + bikes (including an electric cargo bike) to get around. It was much cheaper than even having one car like we did/do in the states.
      - robswc 4y ago
        Well sure, there are costs to transportation. Only in the most extreme circumstances could you make them close to equal tho, all other factors staying the same.
        TulliusCicero 4y ago
        This isn't true.
        robswc 4y ago
        How do you figure? Only way this seems plausible is if you constantly opt to buy two brand new cars as soon as you finish paying them off, for the rest of your life. In my searching for a place, you're looking at a 1.5-2k premium for a comparable place _in_ the city vs 20-30 minutes out of it. That's roughly $20k a year in just rent alone, which is the price of a decent car.
        jltsiren 4y ago
        That's the premium you would have to pay for a comparable place, but a comparable place is actually not that comparable. Urban lifestyle is fundamentally different from suburban lifestyle, focusing more on doing things outside your home. A better comparison would be based on what urban people in your social class are paying for housing. Much in the same way, it's not reasonable to compare suburban and rural costs of living by assuming similar homes. For example, beachfront properties tend to be quite expensive in the suburbia, and private lakes even more so.
- TulliusCicero 4y ago
  Yup, doing all of those in an apartment would be...difficult. Some of them a townhome/duplex would probably handle fine though, and note that superblocks still allow residents cars, they just have to drive really slowly within the superblock, and you can't really cross through it, so you can still do things like transport heavy tables.
  - robswc 4y ago
    I was looking into a townhouse at one point. We figured we should just go with a house though, all things considered. Maybe if we were more "adventurous" haha.
- tekla 4y ago
  Wow, I do this shit all the time in my apt and its literally never been thought for me. - playing guitar with amp - I do it just fine, i just use headphones during the night, during the day I dont turn it to 11 - loading up all our bikes to go to a scenic trail - not a issue, have multiple bikes stored and fits into a rental just fine. Done it many times to go upstate and do 30+ mile bike rides to NJ - transported a ridiculously heavy side table - Simple. get a truck and a buddy. - 3D printing own 3+ 3D printers. Not an issue printing. - bulk buying groceries - Cart + bag. Eat 2 weeks at a time with one trip. Takes 20 minutes I dont think you tried very hard to actually make things work
  - robswc 4y ago
    >I dont think you tried very hard to actually make things work Why should I have to try harder to make things work, when they work just fine as they are? All of your proposed changes involve spending either more money (renting a place w/o paper walls, renting a car, renting storage) or rely on luck/circumstance (if everyone followed your advice, there would be no "buddy with a truck" - lol). >Not an issue printing. Are they resin printers? You _could_ do that printing in an apartment but you're looking at having to run a ton of fans and hope you have good circulation. I took mine to a friend's house and it unfortunately smelled like plastic for longer than we wanted and just not nearly as easy as having a table/bench in a shed or garage. >bulk buying groceries - Cart + bag. Eat 2 weeks at a time with one trip. Takes 20 minutes Wym? You mean you take a cart to the store, from the apartment? Or a cart's worth of groceries?
    - Baeocystin 4y ago
      Just a minor aside on 3D Printing- if you use PLA, it doesn't release anything nasty like ABS does, and it smells vaguely of popcorn, which is kind of nice.
- amusedcyclist 4y ago
  1. you just need to sound proof your place. 2. Biking in Barcelona is pretty cool actually and theres mountains right outside. Ideally you wouldn't need to drive your bikes to start biking. 3. sure but most people don't need a ridiculously heavy table 4. yeah this one makes sense, it does require space and is unique and cool. Maybe shared spaces for the community ? 5. You are mostly bottlenecked by the size of your fridge not by the size of your apartment
- rdedev 4y ago
  Point 5 is what I love about my home in India. If we needed to buy in bulk we would take the car and head to the city. But otherwise almost all kind of groceries is like a few mins walk away from my home. It's hard to find this kind of flexibility in the US