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I don't think anyone is joyously accepting US corporations divulging information to the US govt., so that hyperbole is completely unnecessary. I think there is

by bdhe 4y ago

I don't think anyone is joyously accepting US corporations divulging information to the US govt., so that hyperbole is completely unnecessary. I think there is less cognitive dissonance than you think. There is still some belief that the US populace has a hand in the US govt's constitution and governance. If they are unhappy, changes can be effected. But in the case of a foreign government, an authoritarian one at that, not only are any values and priorities not aligned, there is almost no way for US persons to effect any changes to the CCCP's constitution and governance.

FridayoLeary 4y ago
I'm getting strong overtones of "the world revolves around the US". There are lots of non US citizens who are less then pleased that the US is surveilling them but they have no way to effect changes to the US constitution. (in practical terms, does anybody? When was your last amendment made?)
- SQueeeeeL 4y ago
  Sir, are you somehow implying a global surveillance system maintained by the American government is undesirable!? Why just because we're endlessly gridlocked, constantly at war, and all our political elites look like Dracula, we're still a very secure and stable nation
- bdhe 4y ago
  No, I think the parent's comment was about cognitive dissonance amongst US people or media, so the discussion is about US attitudes. I think the EU has taken significant steps such as with the GDPR to protect its citizen's rights.
angio 4y ago
The issue with that line of reasoning is that it will result in a balkanized internet, accelerating what we're already seeing (US companies are under increased scrutiny in the EU, if the US bans TikTok I expect the EU to be more heavy handed on US companies). We should expect end-to-end encryption and strong privacy from all applications, reducing the attack surface for malicious applications like TikTok or Google.
- another_story 4y ago
  China has already Balkanized the internet. 1.4 billion people are restricted from viewing outside information and outside access into China is frequently disrupted or just outright blocked. Other countries do the same.
  - angio 4y ago
    I'm not a big fan of democracies following the path of dictatorships.

by bdhe 4y ago

FridayoLeary 4y ago

I'm getting strong overtones of "the world revolves around the US". There are lots of non US citizens who are less then pleased that the US is surveilling them but they have no way to effect changes to the US constitution. (in practical terms, does anybody? When was your last amendment made?)

SQueeeeeL 4y ago
Sir, are you somehow implying a global surveillance system maintained by the American government is undesirable!? Why just because we're endlessly gridlocked, constantly at war, and all our political elites look like Dracula, we're still a very secure and stable nation
bdhe 4y ago
No, I think the parent's comment was about cognitive dissonance amongst US people or media, so the discussion is about US attitudes. I think the EU has taken significant steps such as with the GDPR to protect its citizen's rights.

angio 4y ago

The issue with that line of reasoning is that it will result in a balkanized internet, accelerating what we're already seeing (US companies are under increased scrutiny in the EU, if the US bans TikTok I expect the EU to be more heavy handed on US companies). We should expect end-to-end encryption and strong privacy from all applications, reducing the attack surface for malicious applications like TikTok or Google.

another_story 4y ago
China has already Balkanized the internet. 1.4 billion people are restricted from viewing outside information and outside access into China is frequently disrupted or just outright blocked. Other countries do the same.
- angio 4y ago
  I'm not a big fan of democracies following the path of dictatorships.