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In the last 10 years the US has been really ramping up it's propaganda against China, it's amazing to see. Especially since when I was growing up the `evil doer

by satao 4y ago

In the last 10 years the US has been really ramping up it's propaganda against China, it's amazing to see. Especially since when I was growing up the `evil doers` were the Arab people. Yeah, China spies with TikTok, the US spies with Instagram, Facebook email providers, telephone records. It's all shite. Don't elect politicians who agree with espionage and then complain that other countries are doing the same.

Invictus0 4y ago
You're not seriously going to both-sides the CIA and the CCP are you?
- satao 4y ago
  No I actually think the CCP is a lot less harmful than the CIA. So many people died because of American imperialism, it's not even funny. Most countries in the Latin America have seen democratic governments being overthrown by coupes backed by the US with CIA help. The CCP doesn't do this.
  - maerF0x0 4y ago
    Something like 50-65Million have died under the CPP. Their atrocities continue. And that's only what they allow to be seen. here's the first hit on google so you can get up to speed: https://mercatornet.com/ccp-100th-anniversary-genocide/73145/ https://mercatornet.com/ccp-100th-anniversary-genocide/73145...
    - max_ 4y ago
      US is world's biggest terrorist[0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRbnPA3fd5U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRbnPA3fd5U
    - cwkoss 4y ago
      An order of magnitude more have died from the each of: - the downstream effects of dollar hegemony - US imperialism
  - steve76 4y ago
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- angryasian 4y ago
  you're seriously going to ignore what Facebook and Cambridge Analytica was able to accomplish within our own borders to divide our country. Fox news, etc.. are all propaganda tools.
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maerF0x0 4y ago
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- satao 4y ago
  - maerF0x0 4y ago
    if they have any sense they'd prefer the US. Not that they should have to accept the atrocities under US expansion, but the fact is it's a conversation, public knowledge, and something they can vote on whereas the CCP represses information, votes, and resorts to rapes and organ[2] harvesting of ethnic groups it doesn't care for. [1]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2021/02/03/behind-the-camps-gates-rape-and-sexual-violence-against-uyghur-women/?sh=43a20aae68a5 https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2021/02/03/behind-... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong#Persecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong#Persecution
    - cwkoss 4y ago
      This comment is in very poor taste, please brush up on your US history.
      - maerF0x0 4y ago
        Can you help me understand why it's of poor taste? I am fully claiming that terrible things happened to the First Nations of the Americas... (ie not denying).
        cwkoss 4y ago
        Modern native american issues really aren't part of the national conversation or public knowledge. Missing and murdered indigenous women is an ongoing problem that persists today, with little attention. Our country has only in the past decade started coming to terms with the fact that Columbus was a rapist and a slaver - still has the national holiday. There are many terrible things that our government has done to indigenous people in the past that are still painful (in addition to the things that are still happening), and it feels in poor taste for someone outside their community to say what they should think "if they have any sense".
Dig1t 4y ago
Except China bans Instagram, Facebook, etc providers inside of China. So they ban our social media sites inside of their country, yet we don't ban theirs inside of our country. Why do you think that is?
- lmm 4y ago
  Because they don't support free speech or opposing positions and have never pretended to, whereas we believe that truth will set you free and sunlight is the best disinfectant?
dgfitz 4y ago
Facts != propaganda. I'm not even going to bother giving you detailed examples. Xi is a bad person and has done a lot of bad things over the past decade. Are you suggesting that it is a wise idea for a country to cease espionage? Wouldn't that just severely disadvantage that country and only benefit protentional enemy nations? Makes me think "Everyone else is cheating on the test and it will be graded on a curve, but I refuse to cheat" at which point you fail the test. Only the test in this case has an extremely high cost if failed.
- cwkoss 4y ago
  Do you think facts cannot be used as propaganda...?
steve76 4y ago
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by satao 4y ago

Invictus0 4y ago

You're not seriously going to both-sides the CIA and the CCP are you?

satao 4y ago
No I actually think the CCP is a lot less harmful than the CIA. So many people died because of American imperialism, it's not even funny. Most countries in the Latin America have seen democratic governments being overthrown by coupes backed by the US with CIA help. The CCP doesn't do this.
- maerF0x0 4y ago
  Something like 50-65Million have died under the CPP. Their atrocities continue. And that's only what they allow to be seen. here's the first hit on google so you can get up to speed: https://mercatornet.com/ccp-100th-anniversary-genocide/73145/ https://mercatornet.com/ccp-100th-anniversary-genocide/73145...
  - max_ 4y ago
    US is world's biggest terrorist[0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRbnPA3fd5U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRbnPA3fd5U
  - cwkoss 4y ago
    An order of magnitude more have died from the each of: - the downstream effects of dollar hegemony - US imperialism
- steve76 4y ago
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angryasian 4y ago
you're seriously going to ignore what Facebook and Cambridge Analytica was able to accomplish within our own borders to divide our country. Fox news, etc.. are all propaganda tools.

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maerF0x0 4y ago

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satao 4y ago
- maerF0x0 4y ago
  if they have any sense they'd prefer the US. Not that they should have to accept the atrocities under US expansion, but the fact is it's a conversation, public knowledge, and something they can vote on whereas the CCP represses information, votes, and resorts to rapes and organ[2] harvesting of ethnic groups it doesn't care for. [1]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2021/02/03/behind-the-camps-gates-rape-and-sexual-violence-against-uyghur-women/?sh=43a20aae68a5 https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2021/02/03/behind-... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong#Persecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong#Persecution
  - cwkoss 4y ago
    This comment is in very poor taste, please brush up on your US history.
    - maerF0x0 4y ago
      Can you help me understand why it's of poor taste? I am fully claiming that terrible things happened to the First Nations of the Americas... (ie not denying).
      - cwkoss 4y ago
        Modern native american issues really aren't part of the national conversation or public knowledge. Missing and murdered indigenous women is an ongoing problem that persists today, with little attention. Our country has only in the past decade started coming to terms with the fact that Columbus was a rapist and a slaver - still has the national holiday. There are many terrible things that our government has done to indigenous people in the past that are still painful (in addition to the things that are still happening), and it feels in poor taste for someone outside their community to say what they should think "if they have any sense".

Dig1t 4y ago

Except China bans Instagram, Facebook, etc providers inside of China. So they ban our social media sites inside of their country, yet we don't ban theirs inside of our country. Why do you think that is?

lmm 4y ago
Because they don't support free speech or opposing positions and have never pretended to, whereas we believe that truth will set you free and sunlight is the best disinfectant?

dgfitz 4y ago

Facts != propaganda. I'm not even going to bother giving you detailed examples. Xi is a bad person and has done a lot of bad things over the past decade. Are you suggesting that it is a wise idea for a country to cease espionage? Wouldn't that just severely disadvantage that country and only benefit protentional enemy nations? Makes me think "Everyone else is cheating on the test and it will be graded on a curve, but I refuse to cheat" at which point you fail the test. Only the test in this case has an extremely high cost if failed.

cwkoss 4y ago
Do you think facts cannot be used as propaganda...?

steve76 4y ago

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