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Not worse that before and, anyway, who cares? This is about making people lives better not improving car traffic. Two goals that, in my opinion, are in oppositi
by RobertoG 4y ago
Not worse that before and, anyway, who cares? This is about making people lives better not improving car traffic. Two goals that, in my opinion, are in opposition.
- yrgulation 4y agoPoint is they havent made people’s lives easier since so many still need to drive cars. Barcelona is anything but a good example of how things should be.
- danuker 4y agoCitation needed, for all three of your claims.
- yrgulation 4y agoI am citing myself as i’ve been there for a while and its absolutely horrible.
- danuker 4y agoGoogle public transport directions show me it's 2x as slower than cars, but 4x faster than walking from the airport to Sargada Familia. In my city in Romania, public transport is about the same speed as walking. So I'd say Barcelona has great public transport, based on this limited analysis. Hence, citations neede. What exactly was bad? Did you only try driving?
- yrgulation 4y agoI mean compared to romania, particularly to poorly managed cities such as cluj napoca indeed barceona’s public transport is a blessing. But unfortunately locals dont commute to sagrada familia on a daily basis. Commuting to and from el prat or other office areas is a nightmare, as is reaching to smaller businesses around town. Pulling out stats without actually having been there is misleading as you risk thinking everyone is a tourist taking trains to attractions on the regular, which is what most public transport was designed for - its basically their economy so naturally it will be biased towards that.
- danuker 4y agoFair point. From El Prat to where, do you think would be a fair analysis?
- RobertoG 4y agoEl Prat is not Barcelona, and, still, you have train, metro, public and private bus as an option to arrive from downtown. The idea that public transport has been designed for tourists is preposterous. The network of public transport extend far away from the touristic places. Most tourist, and most expats in my experience (I'm thinking in those that don't bother to learn any local language), stay in three or four neighborhoods and think that that's the city and get their impressions from those few areas. That's the reason you always hear the same histories: pickpockets (stealing from tourists), dirty (drunk tourist peeing in the streets), etc
- midoridensha 4y ago>Google public transport directions show me it's 2x as slower than cars, but 4x faster than walking from the airport to Sargada Familia. ... So I'd say Barcelona has great public transport, based on this limited analysis. That doesn't sound all that great to me. Here in Tokyo, driving is generally not significantly faster than public transit, though of course it can vary a lot depending on your two endpoints. And of course, if you add in time to find parking, that usually makes driving very unattractive (though this doesn't affect taxis of course, so those can be attractive for some routes if you have tons of money you want to waste because they're not cheap).
- RobertoG 4y agoThe point is totally wrong. Most people that live on those areas are pretty happy with the changes, and people that is just passing around those areas are pretty happy too. By the way, you don't need a car if you live and work in Barcelona. In fact, most people that own a car don't use it if they are moving inside the city.
- yrgulation 4y agoIssue tho is that barcelona has plenty of satellite towns and villages, so your comment proves my point. What i want is an actual solution that takes people out of their cars in a meaningful way, not just hippies that have no other choice due to poverty. Proper public transport is in everyone’s interest.
- RobertoG 4y agoI fail to see how my comment proves your point and I fail to see how this comment improves your previous argument.