Developers and Operations have been working together for a long time. Some teams historically worked fine together, others didn't. I think the tools we have t

Developers and Operations have been working together for a long time. Some teams historically worked fine together, others didn't. I think the tools we have these days are much better (for ops) to ship what works on developers machines. But if your organisation had a culture of not working together then devops didn't really do much. and anyway, you've leaned into my point about it meaning different things to different people.