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Say you live in a building in front of a car-free street. How are you going to move in/out, given that many buildings in New York have only one entrance? What a

Say you live in a building in front of a car-free street. How are you going to move in/out, given that many buildings in New York have only one entrance? What about garbage trucks? What will happen to all the existing traffic and how will the "clean up" affect the surrounding areas? This is a nice "I wish" project, but each transformation lacks strategy, which is the key component of any kind of transformation.

diordiderot 4y ago
Car free streets often allow traffic for public services, emergency vehicles, etc
- easytiger 4y ago
  in the examples provided they just barrier off streets. Is it a flying ambulance that airlifts you like the coastguard?
Jackim 4y ago
There are some pedestrian streets in the City I live in that have commercial, office, and residential buildings along it. Delivery trucks are permitted on the street. There are anchors for removeable bollards which are installed during events to prevent any vehicle traffic from coming in. Regarding traffic, generally traffic increases as you build more roads. If you build more transit, cycling, and walking infrastructure, the same rule applies. If you remove roads, you are creating more of an incentive to use alternative modes. It's obviously not an instant effect, but as lanes are being removed from cars and converted to allowed bicycles in Paris, vehicle traffic has reduced by 5% in 10 years.
- andreygrehov 4y ago
  I get that a solution does exist. But you can't simply throw an idea and have someone else implement it for you. First, you need to describe a problem. Like, why do you believe that, say, Court Street should be car-free. Next, propose a solution. Do cost and risk analysis. Have people review it all. Only after we can start a conversation. There are so many unknown unknowns that I don't even want to try to guess. The author of the project decided to go with New York as the first candidate for transformation. In my opinion, this is a mistake. New York is likely one of the most challenging cities in the world to transform.
throwaway22032 4y ago
The assumption seems to be that people only hire delivery companies who work unsociable hours. Or you're supposed to have a car, but not where you live, and infrequently move large objects that way. I don't really get it personally. I live in a city, fairly centrally, and moving stuff that wouldn't fit on my cargo bike is a weekly occurrence or more. Plywood sheets, furniture, exercise gear, that sort of thing. I think it only works if you fully subscribe to the tiny apartment + everything is rented mentality, which just sounds like a really fragile dependency tree to me.

diordiderot 4y ago

Car free streets often allow traffic for public services, emergency vehicles, etc

easytiger 4y ago
in the examples provided they just barrier off streets. Is it a flying ambulance that airlifts you like the coastguard?

Jackim 4y ago

There are some pedestrian streets in the City I live in that have commercial, office, and residential buildings along it. Delivery trucks are permitted on the street. There are anchors for removeable bollards which are installed during events to prevent any vehicle traffic from coming in. Regarding traffic, generally traffic increases as you build more roads. If you build more transit, cycling, and walking infrastructure, the same rule applies. If you remove roads, you are creating more of an incentive to use alternative modes. It's obviously not an instant effect, but as lanes are being removed from cars and converted to allowed bicycles in Paris, vehicle traffic has reduced by 5% in 10 years.

andreygrehov 4y ago
I get that a solution does exist. But you can't simply throw an idea and have someone else implement it for you. First, you need to describe a problem. Like, why do you believe that, say, Court Street should be car-free. Next, propose a solution. Do cost and risk analysis. Have people review it all. Only after we can start a conversation. There are so many unknown unknowns that I don't even want to try to guess. The author of the project decided to go with New York as the first candidate for transformation. In my opinion, this is a mistake. New York is likely one of the most challenging cities in the world to transform.

throwaway22032 4y ago

The assumption seems to be that people only hire delivery companies who work unsociable hours. Or you're supposed to have a car, but not where you live, and infrequently move large objects that way. I don't really get it personally. I live in a city, fairly centrally, and moving stuff that wouldn't fit on my cargo bike is a weekly occurrence or more. Plywood sheets, furniture, exercise gear, that sort of thing. I think it only works if you fully subscribe to the tiny apartment + everything is rented mentality, which just sounds like a really fragile dependency tree to me.