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I don't know what the right way for him to fight back is, but this is a teenager who's made a few mistakes and in disproportionate response has been steamrolled

I don't know what the right way for him to fight back is, but this is a teenager who's made a few mistakes and in disproportionate response has been steamrolled by some of the biggest forces in chess - which could have had quite terrible mental health consequences for some - so I'm glad he has found an avenue for redress, however it pans out. He's owed a massive apology by them.

ouid 4y ago
pozdnyshev 4y ago
MichaelCollins 4y ago
If somebody is too young to be accountable for cheating, then they're too young to be trusted in top level competitions in the first place.
- aoeusnth1 4y ago
  I agree. kids shouldn’t play in low security events like Titled Tuesday or other online tournaments with no arbiter. Kids don’t have the self control to never open up another tab and check some moves, and we shouldn’t be surprised when it happens.
ChoGGi 4y ago
You can't change who you really are, you can only pretend. My opinion only obviously.
nilespotter 4y ago
> which could have had quite terrible mental health consequences for some God people are so fragile these days.
- faeriechangling 4y ago
  Yeah totally these fragile snowflakes crying "boohoo I lost my career that I had been working on for my entire life and people harass me whenever I appear in public and call me a sham :..(" All you need to maintain your mental health is a good bottle of whisky and a stiff upper lip!
  - thatguy0900 4y ago
    Except I hope they lose their career when they admittedly have cheated in money matches?... Like we should just let them continue and cheat because they feel bad about being called out? Hes not even apologetic, he has continued to lie throughout this whole ordeal about the scope of his cheating. We only know the scope because he kept insisting it was only a few incidents until chess.com showed him admitting otherwise to them. You can say he cheated as a teen and should be forgiven, but he's still trying to lie as much as he can until forced to otherwise. At what point does he have responsibility for his own actions?
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  - nilespotter 4y ago
    I didn't mean him, I meant those who immediately grasp for some lame armchair psychology interpretation of everything. So somebody cheated, they got caught, and it feels bad to get roasted -- so what? He gets what he gets, we don't need to try to manage his internal mental states. It absolutely is snowflake-ism. A stiff upper lip goes a long ways, you should try it.
faeriechangling 4y ago
Not if they're right. If they're right and he faced severe mental health consequences as a result of people correctly pointing out he has cheated for pride and money, in the words of the great Ben Finegold all I can say is... The truth hurts.

ouid 4y ago

pozdnyshev 4y ago

MichaelCollins 4y ago

If somebody is too young to be accountable for cheating, then they're too young to be trusted in top level competitions in the first place.

aoeusnth1 4y ago
I agree. kids shouldn’t play in low security events like Titled Tuesday or other online tournaments with no arbiter. Kids don’t have the self control to never open up another tab and check some moves, and we shouldn’t be surprised when it happens.

ChoGGi 4y ago

You can't change who you really are, you can only pretend. My opinion only obviously.

nilespotter 4y ago

> which could have had quite terrible mental health consequences for some God people are so fragile these days.

faeriechangling 4y ago
Yeah totally these fragile snowflakes crying "boohoo I lost my career that I had been working on for my entire life and people harass me whenever I appear in public and call me a sham :..(" All you need to maintain your mental health is a good bottle of whisky and a stiff upper lip!
- thatguy0900 4y ago
  Except I hope they lose their career when they admittedly have cheated in money matches?... Like we should just let them continue and cheat because they feel bad about being called out? Hes not even apologetic, he has continued to lie throughout this whole ordeal about the scope of his cheating. We only know the scope because he kept insisting it was only a few incidents until chess.com showed him admitting otherwise to them. You can say he cheated as a teen and should be forgiven, but he's still trying to lie as much as he can until forced to otherwise. At what point does he have responsibility for his own actions?
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- nilespotter 4y ago
  I didn't mean him, I meant those who immediately grasp for some lame armchair psychology interpretation of everything. So somebody cheated, they got caught, and it feels bad to get roasted -- so what? He gets what he gets, we don't need to try to manage his internal mental states. It absolutely is snowflake-ism. A stiff upper lip goes a long ways, you should try it.

faeriechangling 4y ago

Not if they're right. If they're right and he faced severe mental health consequences as a result of people correctly pointing out he has cheated for pride and money, in the words of the great Ben Finegold all I can say is... The truth hurts.