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"Nabla is currently only supported in Chrome." Oh yay, another Google invention for the web that others now have to support or be accused of holding the web ba

"Nabla is currently only supported in Chrome." Oh yay, another Google invention for the web that others now have to support or be accused of holding the web back. Is it Thursday already?

red_trumpet 4y ago
Firefox 106 seems to handle the font just fine. I also see the gradients, they claim to not work on Firefox yet. But yeah, that line at the bottom is a bit weird... [1] https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Nabla https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Nabla
- jfk13 4y ago
  The font also contains SVG glyphs, in addition to the COLRv1 versions, and that's what you're currently seeing in Firefox. Firefox 107 will introduce COLRv1 support, though at least as things stand now the SVG glyphs still take precedence (unless you disable that feature).
TheRealPomax 4y ago
Not really? COLRv1 only officially landed in OpenType 1.9 with some changes slated for 1.9.1 - OpenType is a consortium consisting of many players, none of them implementing things until the spec is actually official. Except, of course, when it's some company's own suggestion: MS will early-implement support for new features they themselves propose, Adobe will early-implement support for new features they themselves propose, and in this case Google's engineers had it implemented before it was officially accepted because they proposed it. Mozilla (and everyone else) waited until the draft become part of the spec, then had to spend the time implement a (non-trivially complex) new rendering pipeline, and make sure that works properly. COLRv1 fonts should work perfectly fine as of Firefox 107.
- habitue 4y ago
  can confirm, this site works fine in Firefox. I can copy the colorful text and paste it as text
- kevingadd 4y ago
  I'm running a build of 106 and it already appears to support much of COLRv1, the gradients in this font show up. Most of the website's sliders are disabled, though.
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- culi 4y ago
  Seems like opera also has support Firefox has support starting with v107 https://caniuse.com/colr-v1 https://caniuse.com/colr-v1
  - TheRealPomax 4y ago
    To be fair, opera is "yet another chromium", like edge and brave, so whenever Chrome adds support for something and upstreams it, all of those get it "for free".
alwillis 4y ago
Yes, unfortunately. WebKit’s position on this font format: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2021-March/031765.html https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2021-March/031...
- pwinnski 4y ago
  Myles @ WebKit seems to raise some excellent points, but I'm not up on browser internals. The criticism seem very much in line with my understanding of motives and incentives within Google, which leads to much duplication of effort. The Nabla web page makes it seem like "Finally! Color fonts!" while Myles @ WebKit makes it clear that "Many OT-SVG fonts already exist," which seems true[0]. Sigh. I wish people viewed Google more accurately as breakers of web interoperability instead of praising the relentless Chrome hegemony. 0. https://helpx.adobe.com/fonts/using/ot-svg-color-fonts.html https://helpx.adobe.com/fonts/using/ot-svg-color-fonts.html
  - culi 4y ago
    It's been surprising to see how consistently Chrome has lagged behind Firefox and Safari in interop-2022 https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022?stable https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022?stable

"Nabla is currently only supported in Chrome." Oh yay, another Google invention for the web that others now have to support or be accused of holding the web back. Is it Thursday already?

red_trumpet 4y ago

Firefox 106 seems to handle the font just fine. I also see the gradients, they claim to not work on Firefox yet. But yeah, that line at the bottom is a bit weird... [1] https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Nabla https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Nabla

jfk13 4y ago
The font also contains SVG glyphs, in addition to the COLRv1 versions, and that's what you're currently seeing in Firefox. Firefox 107 will introduce COLRv1 support, though at least as things stand now the SVG glyphs still take precedence (unless you disable that feature).

TheRealPomax 4y ago

Not really? COLRv1 only officially landed in OpenType 1.9 with some changes slated for 1.9.1 - OpenType is a consortium consisting of many players, none of them implementing things until the spec is actually official. Except, of course, when it's some company's own suggestion: MS will early-implement support for new features they themselves propose, Adobe will early-implement support for new features they themselves propose, and in this case Google's engineers had it implemented before it was officially accepted because they proposed it. Mozilla (and everyone else) waited until the draft become part of the spec, then had to spend the time implement a (non-trivially complex) new rendering pipeline, and make sure that works properly. COLRv1 fonts should work perfectly fine as of Firefox 107.

habitue 4y ago
can confirm, this site works fine in Firefox. I can copy the colorful text and paste it as text
kevingadd 4y ago
I'm running a build of 106 and it already appears to support much of COLRv1, the gradients in this font show up. Most of the website's sliders are disabled, though.
- deleted 4y ago
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culi 4y ago
Seems like opera also has support Firefox has support starting with v107 https://caniuse.com/colr-v1 https://caniuse.com/colr-v1
- TheRealPomax 4y ago
  To be fair, opera is "yet another chromium", like edge and brave, so whenever Chrome adds support for something and upstreams it, all of those get it "for free".

alwillis 4y ago

Yes, unfortunately. WebKit’s position on this font format: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2021-March/031765.html https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2021-March/031...

pwinnski 4y ago
Myles @ WebKit seems to raise some excellent points, but I'm not up on browser internals. The criticism seem very much in line with my understanding of motives and incentives within Google, which leads to much duplication of effort. The Nabla web page makes it seem like "Finally! Color fonts!" while Myles @ WebKit makes it clear that "Many OT-SVG fonts already exist," which seems true[0]. Sigh. I wish people viewed Google more accurately as breakers of web interoperability instead of praising the relentless Chrome hegemony. 0. https://helpx.adobe.com/fonts/using/ot-svg-color-fonts.html https://helpx.adobe.com/fonts/using/ot-svg-color-fonts.html
- culi 4y ago
  It's been surprising to see how consistently Chrome has lagged behind Firefox and Safari in interop-2022 https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022?stable https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022?stable