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It does not. It’s a presumption of guilt by the government. You could be a scammer so you have to get a license ‘proving’ you are not. I’d be all for an online

It does not. It’s a presumption of guilt by the government. You could be a scammer so you have to get a license ‘proving’ you are not. I’d be all for an online registry where you have to register your business and verified contact info so you can be tracked down if you pull something but letting the government decide who can and cannot offer services is a scam. Lookup the requirements for a roofing contractor license in Florida. One of them is “be of good moral character“. Who gets to decide what that means? Imagine if people were as concerned about barriers to earning a living as they were about barriers to voting. https://www.contractorcampus.com/florida-roofing-contractor-license.html https://www.contractorcampus.com/florida-roofing-contractor-...

pessimizer 4y ago
> I’d be all for an online registry where you have to register your business and verified contact info so you can be tracked down So an active registry and compliance department that is somehow unconnected with the concept of licensing? That's pushing the costs of proving a given contractor is competent from the contractor to the government. Ideally that would be a far more expensive system. In reality it would be an unfunded, mostly vacant department and a free-for-all for fraud.
mikeyouse 4y ago
> One of them is “be of good moral character“. Who gets to decide what that means? The Florida legislature gets to decide. > (c) Meet eligibility requirements according to the following criteria: > 1. As used in this subsection, the term “good moral character” means a personal history of honesty, fairness, and respect for the rights of others and for state and federal law. > 2. The board may determine that an individual applying for registration is ineligible due to failure to satisfy the requirement of good moral character only if: > a. There is a substantial connection between the lack of good moral character of the individual and the professional responsibilities of a registered contractor; and > b. The finding by the board of lack of good moral character is supported by clear and convincing evidence. > 3. When an individual is found to be unqualified because of lack of good moral character, the board must furnish such individual a statement containing the findings of the board, a complete record of evidence upon which the determination was based, and a notice of the rights of the individual to a rehearing and an appeal. Seems entirely reasonable. If you have a history of screwing over customers, delivering shoddy work, they can deny your permit. The contractor can appeal their decision and they provide all evidence they used to decide as such.
- redavni 4y ago
  > One of them is “be of good moral character“. Who gets to decide what that means? That is one of the primary functions of a Leader. Judges are included verbatim in this context by the part that says "respect for the rights of others and for state and federal law".
- macinjosh 4y ago
  That seems entirely unreasonable to me. > the term “good moral character” means a personal history of honesty, fairness A roofing contractor cheats on her husband, can her license be denied/revoked for dishonesty? It may be unlikely in normal circumstances but corruption is a real thing. A guy down on his luck gets busted for drugs and goes to jail. He gets out and can't get a job because of his felony. He decides to start a roofing business. Can the government deny him a license too?
  - mikeyouse 4y ago
    It's literally in the rest of the description you just cut off to form these silly hypotheticals. It's a very simple two part test with a big "and" clause connecting them. > a. There is a substantial connection between the lack of good moral character of the individual and the professional responsibilities of a registered contractor; and > b. The finding by the board of lack of good moral character is supported by clear and convincing evidence. A roofing contractor cheating on their husband has no substantial connection to the professional responsibilities of being a contractor. Neither does being arrested for possession. Both would be granted their license. If the person arrested for drugs was stealing copper from construction sites - they might have a hard time, but that's by design..

pessimizer 4y ago

> I’d be all for an online registry where you have to register your business and verified contact info so you can be tracked down So an active registry and compliance department that is somehow unconnected with the concept of licensing? That's pushing the costs of proving a given contractor is competent from the contractor to the government. Ideally that would be a far more expensive system. In reality it would be an unfunded, mostly vacant department and a free-for-all for fraud.

mikeyouse 4y ago

> One of them is “be of good moral character“. Who gets to decide what that means? The Florida legislature gets to decide. > (c) Meet eligibility requirements according to the following criteria: > 1. As used in this subsection, the term “good moral character” means a personal history of honesty, fairness, and respect for the rights of others and for state and federal law. > 2. The board may determine that an individual applying for registration is ineligible due to failure to satisfy the requirement of good moral character only if: > a. There is a substantial connection between the lack of good moral character of the individual and the professional responsibilities of a registered contractor; and > b. The finding by the board of lack of good moral character is supported by clear and convincing evidence. > 3. When an individual is found to be unqualified because of lack of good moral character, the board must furnish such individual a statement containing the findings of the board, a complete record of evidence upon which the determination was based, and a notice of the rights of the individual to a rehearing and an appeal. Seems entirely reasonable. If you have a history of screwing over customers, delivering shoddy work, they can deny your permit. The contractor can appeal their decision and they provide all evidence they used to decide as such.

redavni 4y ago
> One of them is “be of good moral character“. Who gets to decide what that means? That is one of the primary functions of a Leader. Judges are included verbatim in this context by the part that says "respect for the rights of others and for state and federal law".
macinjosh 4y ago
That seems entirely unreasonable to me. > the term “good moral character” means a personal history of honesty, fairness A roofing contractor cheats on her husband, can her license be denied/revoked for dishonesty? It may be unlikely in normal circumstances but corruption is a real thing. A guy down on his luck gets busted for drugs and goes to jail. He gets out and can't get a job because of his felony. He decides to start a roofing business. Can the government deny him a license too?
- mikeyouse 4y ago
  It's literally in the rest of the description you just cut off to form these silly hypotheticals. It's a very simple two part test with a big "and" clause connecting them. > a. There is a substantial connection between the lack of good moral character of the individual and the professional responsibilities of a registered contractor; and > b. The finding by the board of lack of good moral character is supported by clear and convincing evidence. A roofing contractor cheating on their husband has no substantial connection to the professional responsibilities of being a contractor. Neither does being arrested for possession. Both would be granted their license. If the person arrested for drugs was stealing copper from construction sites - they might have a hard time, but that's by design..