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Now that CloudFront has greatly improved its performance, what's the pitch for using CloudFlare over it?

by bushbaba 4y ago

k__ 4y ago
They don't shut you off if you're alt right, lol.
- babelfish 4y ago
  But they should.
- eastdakota 4y ago
  Wanna bet? https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/johnpaczkowski/amazon-parler-aws https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p... https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-website-cables-servers-amazon https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-webs... Etc etc…
  - stevewatson301 4y ago
    Except for the fact that hosting Wikileaks and Parler with the content in question was always legally contentious. What Kiwifarms or The Daily Stormer hosted was sufficiently odious (in my view at least), it is disingenuous to suggest that the content is at the same level as what Amazon took action against.
    - sophacles 4y ago
      So why aren't those sites on Amazon right now? Seriously, if Amazon is such an amazing bastion of allowing that disgusting content, why are KiwiFarms and the Daily Stormer not happily up and running on AWS with CloudFront?
      - stevewatson301 4y ago
    - shitlord 4y ago
      All of those sites are toxic customers. Continuing to host them will draw the government's ire. For Parler, the Jan 6 Committee would have inundated Amazon with subpoenas for internal documents and demanded testimony from executives. It's understandable why Parler was deplatformed so many times: because nobody likes government scrutiny. The risk is clearly greater than the reward. I'm not saying that this was the right decision for society, but I understand where they're coming from, and these companies should be transparent about their motivations.
ceejayoz 4y ago
Cloudflare's significantly cheaper in many cases.
nixcraft 4y ago
Price is the main difference between AWS CloudFront/Fastly and CF. In most cases, CF prices are fixed, like $200 for business or $20 for the pro plan. If you like fixed prices VMs from Linode or DO, chances are high that you will like Cloudflare too. Of course, advanced addons features like CF Argo and CF Bot management cost more money at Cloudflare too.
- hnov 4y ago
  While that lasts, you can't be charging a flat $200 in a world where the other players are charging 5-10¢/GB of egress.
  - dustymcp 4y ago
    Alot of the companies who bought cloudflare would probably rather pay the 200$ than deal with migrating everything.
  - NavinF 4y ago
    I said the opposite ("cloud providers can't keep charging 5-10¢/GB egress") a few years ago, but I guess I was wrong. I still think their pricing is absolutely insane in a world where even the smallest companies can colo a server and get wholesale transit that works out to <$0.005/GB. But I guess nobody's really pushing traffic so nobody cares about $/GB.
    - yamtaddle 4y ago
      > I still think their pricing is absolutely insane in a world where even the smallest companies can colo a server and get wholesale transit that works out to <$0.005/GB. Their pricing's insane in a world where you can get prices not too far from that wholesale rate for CDN service (which is a whole different beast from having one or two colo'd servers). And anyway, nobody pushing serious bits is paying public rates, anywhere. Those discounts can be huge. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason cloud providers have such high rates is so they can give their counterparts an easy, very impressive-looking "win" in negotiations.
stevewatson301 4y ago
Origin shield is quite pricey; Argo tiered caching is free. (The article discusses Argo smart routing, but in my experience Argo tiered caching has lead to the same kind of performance gains this article talks about).
is_true 4y ago
The numbers of zeros after the dot/comma (depending on your locale)
itslennysfault 4y ago

Now that CloudFront has greatly improved its performance, what's the pitch for using CloudFlare over it?

k__ 4y ago

They don't shut you off if you're alt right, lol.

babelfish 4y ago
But they should.
eastdakota 4y ago
Wanna bet? https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/johnpaczkowski/amazon-parler-aws https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p... https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-website-cables-servers-amazon https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-webs... Etc etc…
- stevewatson301 4y ago
  Except for the fact that hosting Wikileaks and Parler with the content in question was always legally contentious. What Kiwifarms or The Daily Stormer hosted was sufficiently odious (in my view at least), it is disingenuous to suggest that the content is at the same level as what Amazon took action against.
  - sophacles 4y ago
    So why aren't those sites on Amazon right now? Seriously, if Amazon is such an amazing bastion of allowing that disgusting content, why are KiwiFarms and the Daily Stormer not happily up and running on AWS with CloudFront?
    - stevewatson301 4y ago
  - shitlord 4y ago
    All of those sites are toxic customers. Continuing to host them will draw the government's ire. For Parler, the Jan 6 Committee would have inundated Amazon with subpoenas for internal documents and demanded testimony from executives. It's understandable why Parler was deplatformed so many times: because nobody likes government scrutiny. The risk is clearly greater than the reward. I'm not saying that this was the right decision for society, but I understand where they're coming from, and these companies should be transparent about their motivations.

ceejayoz 4y ago

Cloudflare's significantly cheaper in many cases.

nixcraft 4y ago

Price is the main difference between AWS CloudFront/Fastly and CF. In most cases, CF prices are fixed, like $200 for business or $20 for the pro plan. If you like fixed prices VMs from Linode or DO, chances are high that you will like Cloudflare too. Of course, advanced addons features like CF Argo and CF Bot management cost more money at Cloudflare too.

hnov 4y ago
While that lasts, you can't be charging a flat $200 in a world where the other players are charging 5-10¢/GB of egress.
- dustymcp 4y ago
  Alot of the companies who bought cloudflare would probably rather pay the 200$ than deal with migrating everything.
- NavinF 4y ago
  I said the opposite ("cloud providers can't keep charging 5-10¢/GB egress") a few years ago, but I guess I was wrong. I still think their pricing is absolutely insane in a world where even the smallest companies can colo a server and get wholesale transit that works out to <$0.005/GB. But I guess nobody's really pushing traffic so nobody cares about $/GB.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    > I still think their pricing is absolutely insane in a world where even the smallest companies can colo a server and get wholesale transit that works out to <$0.005/GB. Their pricing's insane in a world where you can get prices not too far from that wholesale rate for CDN service (which is a whole different beast from having one or two colo'd servers). And anyway, nobody pushing serious bits is paying public rates, anywhere. Those discounts can be huge. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason cloud providers have such high rates is so they can give their counterparts an easy, very impressive-looking "win" in negotiations.

stevewatson301 4y ago

Origin shield is quite pricey; Argo tiered caching is free. (The article discusses Argo smart routing, but in my experience Argo tiered caching has lead to the same kind of performance gains this article talks about).

is_true 4y ago

The numbers of zeros after the dot/comma (depending on your locale)

itslennysfault 4y ago