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I think we agree. I would consider the construction workers to be laborers. They're adding value. Profiteering would be collecting profit without adding value i

I think we agree. I would consider the construction workers to be laborers. They're adding value. Profiteering would be collecting profit without adding value i.e. engineers and the licensing board in this case.

nashashmi 4y ago
> collecting profit without adding value i.e. engineers Civil Engineers DO NOT have the upper hand in any of their designs. They propose, and upper management comments, and they propose again, and upper management comments again, and back and forth it goes. At the end of the day, all they have done is manage a series of comments, and tried to please the client rep with something like a quick and dirty fix to whatever comments they are getting. Who has the creativity? The client rep, but he is so incompetent/overloaded/unelated that all he does is either manage from high above, or just look for ways to protect himself and the City, or ask the consultant to propose solutions and makes the smallest comments possible on these solutions, while leaving majority of the comments for other offices. This leads to designs that hardly get a fight history. And more of a sychophant-driven approach just to get nitpickers out of the way.
cycrutchfield 4y ago
Why do you seem to believe that only manual laborers can add value?
- cudgy 4y ago
  Perhaps because they are the ones that actually convert the plans and raw resources into a useful building? Plans for bathrooms and buildings can be easily pulled from a shelf of existing plans, tweaked a bit, and sent out, but building the actual structure can never be avoided.
  - cycrutchfield 4y ago
    Tell me you don’t know anything about construction without telling me you don’t know anything about construction
    - cudgy 4y ago
      Mission accomplished. I never stated anything about my knowledge of construction. However, for whatever little it’s worth, I do know more about it than most people I encounter, especially in a forum like HN.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  Because in this specific case they are the only party who did anything helpful to the people who were trying to turn money into a road. I don't think he meant that you have to do labor to add value.
  - jollyllama 4y ago
    ^^^

nashashmi 4y ago

> collecting profit without adding value i.e. engineers Civil Engineers DO NOT have the upper hand in any of their designs. They propose, and upper management comments, and they propose again, and upper management comments again, and back and forth it goes. At the end of the day, all they have done is manage a series of comments, and tried to please the client rep with something like a quick and dirty fix to whatever comments they are getting. Who has the creativity? The client rep, but he is so incompetent/overloaded/unelated that all he does is either manage from high above, or just look for ways to protect himself and the City, or ask the consultant to propose solutions and makes the smallest comments possible on these solutions, while leaving majority of the comments for other offices. This leads to designs that hardly get a fight history. And more of a sychophant-driven approach just to get nitpickers out of the way.

cycrutchfield 4y ago

Why do you seem to believe that only manual laborers can add value?

cudgy 4y ago
Perhaps because they are the ones that actually convert the plans and raw resources into a useful building? Plans for bathrooms and buildings can be easily pulled from a shelf of existing plans, tweaked a bit, and sent out, but building the actual structure can never be avoided.
- cycrutchfield 4y ago
  Tell me you don’t know anything about construction without telling me you don’t know anything about construction
  - cudgy 4y ago
    Mission accomplished. I never stated anything about my knowledge of construction. However, for whatever little it’s worth, I do know more about it than most people I encounter, especially in a forum like HN.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
Because in this specific case they are the only party who did anything helpful to the people who were trying to turn money into a road. I don't think he meant that you have to do labor to add value.
- jollyllama 4y ago
  ^^^