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similarly, NYC decided to pay McKinsey $4mm to answer the question of whether large, stinky festering piles of trashbags would be better in containers.

jesuscript 4y ago
Source, my dear friend. The world is just too weird for me delineate between real and unreal at this point.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  i know its hard to believe but https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-orders-4-million-mckinsey-study-on-whether-trash-piles-would-be-better-inside-containers https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-orders-4-million-mckinsey-stu...
- hedora 4y ago
  Tangentially related, Folsom, CA still knows how to build stuff in a hurry: https://www.theonion.com/preemptive-memorial-honors-future-victims-of-imminent-d-1819594660 https://www.theonion.com/preemptive-memorial-honors-future-v... Separately, they completed the spillway upgrades about 10 years after that video was produced, so 1 for 2?: https://ascecapitalbranch.org/geotechnical-aspects-of-the-folsom-dam-auxiliary-spillway/ https://ascecapitalbranch.org/geotechnical-aspects-of-the-fo...
  - bombcar 4y ago
    California can move mountains when they really need to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekUROM87vTA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekUROM87vTA covers the Oroville dam disaster and recovery (the disaster was averted, and the recovery was fast). In things that are NOT obviously life and death is where it gets bogged down by people "trying to help".
eachro 4y ago
I mean the answer to this is not as simple as "yes trash belongs in trash bins". How do you organize trash pickup? Where do these receptacles get placed? How large should they be? Is this for business and residential? Do trash routes need to change as well? NYC is massive and what will probably work in a neighborhood in Manhattan may not work for one in Staten Island. It's not at all a simple exercise.
adolph 4y ago
I'm not here to defend McKinsey, but sometimes the real world is complicated and requires some observation and orientation before deciding on an action [see quote and 0]. I'm not certain if McKinsey is better than trial and error, and McKinsey has likely/certainly faked solutions [1], but they are the IBM of consulting [2]. “Containerizing New York City’s 24 million daily pounds of trash and recycling is far, far more complicated than many people initially realize,” Goodman said. “How do the containers perform in winter weather, which they don’t really have in Barcelona? Who is responsible for removing snow from them on each side? How do they work on narrow streets vs. wide avenues? What about our incredible number of very dense mixed-use buildings, given that DSNY collects residential but not commercial trash?” 0. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/10/03/exclu-sanitation-department-hires-mckinsey-for-containerization-study/ https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/10/03/exclu-sanitation-depa... 1. https://www.propublica.org/article/new-york-city-paid-mckinsey-millions-to-stem-jail-violence-instead-violence-soared https://www.propublica.org/article/new-york-city-paid-mckins... 2. https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/ibm100/us/en/icons/personalcomputer/words/ https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/ibm100/us/en/icons/personalc...

jesuscript 4y ago

Source, my dear friend. The world is just too weird for me delineate between real and unreal at this point.

collegeburner 4y ago
i know its hard to believe but https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-orders-4-million-mckinsey-study-on-whether-trash-piles-would-be-better-inside-containers https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-orders-4-million-mckinsey-stu...
hedora 4y ago
Tangentially related, Folsom, CA still knows how to build stuff in a hurry: https://www.theonion.com/preemptive-memorial-honors-future-victims-of-imminent-d-1819594660 https://www.theonion.com/preemptive-memorial-honors-future-v... Separately, they completed the spillway upgrades about 10 years after that video was produced, so 1 for 2?: https://ascecapitalbranch.org/geotechnical-aspects-of-the-folsom-dam-auxiliary-spillway/ https://ascecapitalbranch.org/geotechnical-aspects-of-the-fo...
- bombcar 4y ago
  California can move mountains when they really need to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekUROM87vTA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekUROM87vTA covers the Oroville dam disaster and recovery (the disaster was averted, and the recovery was fast). In things that are NOT obviously life and death is where it gets bogged down by people "trying to help".

eachro 4y ago

I mean the answer to this is not as simple as "yes trash belongs in trash bins". How do you organize trash pickup? Where do these receptacles get placed? How large should they be? Is this for business and residential? Do trash routes need to change as well? NYC is massive and what will probably work in a neighborhood in Manhattan may not work for one in Staten Island. It's not at all a simple exercise.

adolph 4y ago

I'm not here to defend McKinsey, but sometimes the real world is complicated and requires some observation and orientation before deciding on an action [see quote and 0]. I'm not certain if McKinsey is better than trial and error, and McKinsey has likely/certainly faked solutions [1], but they are the IBM of consulting [2]. “Containerizing New York City’s 24 million daily pounds of trash and recycling is far, far more complicated than many people initially realize,” Goodman said. “How do the containers perform in winter weather, which they don’t really have in Barcelona? Who is responsible for removing snow from them on each side? How do they work on narrow streets vs. wide avenues? What about our incredible number of very dense mixed-use buildings, given that DSNY collects residential but not commercial trash?” 0. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/10/03/exclu-sanitation-department-hires-mckinsey-for-containerization-study/ https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/10/03/exclu-sanitation-depa... 1. https://www.propublica.org/article/new-york-city-paid-mckinsey-millions-to-stem-jail-violence-instead-violence-soared https://www.propublica.org/article/new-york-city-paid-mckins... 2. https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/ibm100/us/en/icons/personalcomputer/words/ https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/ibm100/us/en/icons/personalc...