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In what ways is SFO right wing? I don't see much representation of that type as far as elected officials. Is this a term used in spirit or something I'm overloo

by aliqot 4y ago

In what ways is SFO right wing? I don't see much representation of that type as far as elected officials. Is this a term used in spirit or something I'm overlooking?

theGnuMe 4y ago
SFO is an airport, so two wings generally..
TeeMassive 4y ago
Replace "right" with "those who doesn't want to do the right thing" and most political speech kinda makes more sense. The Left/Right split of viewing politics is a false dichotomy that made sense only about a century after the French Revolution, in France.
- aliqot 4y ago
  >Replace "right" with "those who doesn't want to do the right thing" and most political speech kinda makes more sense. >The Left/Right split of viewing politics is a false dichotomy that made sense only about a century after the French Revolution, in France. I don't think that's a fair characterization. I don't think people affiliate with a certain party seeking to "not do the right thing". Saying it is a false dichotomy while still saying one side doesn't do the right thing is a bit two sided. I am, however, getting the idea that there is some subtle derision being conveyed when the term 'right wing' is used, which is unfortunate because at least to me I'm being pre-loaded with bias about people I don't really know yet.
  - savingsPossible 4y ago
    It is not meant (I'd guess) as a characterization for people, but as a way to explain/read the words left and right, especially when one is criticizing the right (i.e.: right is used mostly as a synonym for bad, for some people)
    - aliqot 4y ago
      This comment makes more sense in that context, thanks for breaking it down for me. I don't know how we can have a meeting of the minds while people use the term for others as a pejorative. I hope it gets worked out some day when we mature as a species and global community.
enragedcacti 4y ago
People who are left wing w.r.t. the organization of the economy view democrats as right wing i.e. upholding the entrenched power structure. SF dems will happily support spending money on the homeless in principle, but they are still deeply conservative when it comes to how policies will affect them or their capital. They are pretty much the poster child of NIMBYism: "I know X is something the community needs and I'm all for building it, just Not In My Back Yard"
- aksss 4y ago
  This is some hilarious gymnastics. S.F. is basically a poster child for how left wing urban policy is easily turned into abusive graft and inherently prone to abuse and corruption and it’s just like, “no, more cowbell!” Just keep turning the dial up and I’m sure it will get better.
  - enragedcacti 4y ago
    Of course, classic left wing policies such as single family zoning that somehow hasn't been removed after decades of the socialist iron grip on the bay. In all seriousness, how do you differentiate between left wing policy that is "inherently prone to abuse and corruption" and policy with a progressive facade that is designed by and for those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo? Where are the left wing professors that are saying "actually we need more public hearings, stricter building codes, more environmental review, and by god we can't let anyone touch the zoning!"? Presumably they would exist if SF policy is what the left wing actually wants.
at_a_remove 4y ago
If something has problems, it's due to the right wing, naturally. The far right, because there's no such thing as being just a little right. Alt-right if it's citizen-led and not overly Christian. Overall, it's just a manifestation of "if we were only just a little more left, things would work out!" you'll see.
xienze 4y ago
> In what ways is SFO right wing? I think the poster misspoke, SF is more like what those on the left imagine a right wing dystopia would look like (massive wealth inequality, homelessness and litter everywhere, crime, everyone is a NIMBY, etc.).
- aksss 4y ago
  Are we going to talk about the cognitive dissonance in there? Nobody can argue that SF hasn’t had every advantage (for many decades) in implementing a left wing utopia - a pure monopoly in politics, high taxes on high earners to fund policies - and at this point we’re saying it turned out looking like a right-wing dystopia. Why isn’t it a left-wing dystopia? Probably because in some people’s minds, left==utopia, right==dystopia, and that’s where any analysis stops; but this is just someone incapable of acknowledging any error in their own policy prescriptions. “I don’t suck at tennis, it’s this shitty equipment.” From the outside, it’s almost comical. It couldn’t possibly be that the systemic criticisms had any merit to them.
eitally 4y ago
https://www.commentary.org/noah-rothman/would-you-believe-san-franciscos-too-right-wing/ https://www.commentary.org/noah-rothman/would-you-believe-sa...

by aliqot 4y ago

In what ways is SFO right wing? I don't see much representation of that type as far as elected officials. Is this a term used in spirit or something I'm overlooking?

theGnuMe 4y ago

SFO is an airport, so two wings generally..

TeeMassive 4y ago

Replace "right" with "those who doesn't want to do the right thing" and most political speech kinda makes more sense. The Left/Right split of viewing politics is a false dichotomy that made sense only about a century after the French Revolution, in France.

aliqot 4y ago
>Replace "right" with "those who doesn't want to do the right thing" and most political speech kinda makes more sense. >The Left/Right split of viewing politics is a false dichotomy that made sense only about a century after the French Revolution, in France. I don't think that's a fair characterization. I don't think people affiliate with a certain party seeking to "not do the right thing". Saying it is a false dichotomy while still saying one side doesn't do the right thing is a bit two sided. I am, however, getting the idea that there is some subtle derision being conveyed when the term 'right wing' is used, which is unfortunate because at least to me I'm being pre-loaded with bias about people I don't really know yet.
- savingsPossible 4y ago
  It is not meant (I'd guess) as a characterization for people, but as a way to explain/read the words left and right, especially when one is criticizing the right (i.e.: right is used mostly as a synonym for bad, for some people)
  - aliqot 4y ago
    This comment makes more sense in that context, thanks for breaking it down for me. I don't know how we can have a meeting of the minds while people use the term for others as a pejorative. I hope it gets worked out some day when we mature as a species and global community.

enragedcacti 4y ago

People who are left wing w.r.t. the organization of the economy view democrats as right wing i.e. upholding the entrenched power structure. SF dems will happily support spending money on the homeless in principle, but they are still deeply conservative when it comes to how policies will affect them or their capital. They are pretty much the poster child of NIMBYism: "I know X is something the community needs and I'm all for building it, just Not In My Back Yard"

aksss 4y ago
This is some hilarious gymnastics. S.F. is basically a poster child for how left wing urban policy is easily turned into abusive graft and inherently prone to abuse and corruption and it’s just like, “no, more cowbell!” Just keep turning the dial up and I’m sure it will get better.
- enragedcacti 4y ago
  Of course, classic left wing policies such as single family zoning that somehow hasn't been removed after decades of the socialist iron grip on the bay. In all seriousness, how do you differentiate between left wing policy that is "inherently prone to abuse and corruption" and policy with a progressive facade that is designed by and for those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo? Where are the left wing professors that are saying "actually we need more public hearings, stricter building codes, more environmental review, and by god we can't let anyone touch the zoning!"? Presumably they would exist if SF policy is what the left wing actually wants.

at_a_remove 4y ago

If something has problems, it's due to the right wing, naturally. The far right, because there's no such thing as being just a little right. Alt-right if it's citizen-led and not overly Christian. Overall, it's just a manifestation of "if we were only just a little more left, things would work out!" you'll see.

xienze 4y ago

> In what ways is SFO right wing? I think the poster misspoke, SF is more like what those on the left imagine a right wing dystopia would look like (massive wealth inequality, homelessness and litter everywhere, crime, everyone is a NIMBY, etc.).

aksss 4y ago
Are we going to talk about the cognitive dissonance in there? Nobody can argue that SF hasn’t had every advantage (for many decades) in implementing a left wing utopia - a pure monopoly in politics, high taxes on high earners to fund policies - and at this point we’re saying it turned out looking like a right-wing dystopia. Why isn’t it a left-wing dystopia? Probably because in some people’s minds, left==utopia, right==dystopia, and that’s where any analysis stops; but this is just someone incapable of acknowledging any error in their own policy prescriptions. “I don’t suck at tennis, it’s this shitty equipment.” From the outside, it’s almost comical. It couldn’t possibly be that the systemic criticisms had any merit to them.

eitally 4y ago

https://www.commentary.org/noah-rothman/would-you-believe-san-franciscos-too-right-wing/ https://www.commentary.org/noah-rothman/would-you-believe-sa...