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Besides power vs performance, there's also the cost of buying into the platform, AMD's latest chips aren't selling too well because cost of entry is pretty high

Besides power vs performance, there's also the cost of buying into the platform, AMD's latest chips aren't selling too well because cost of entry is pretty high with expensive motherboards and expensive RAM (plus enthusiast gamers waiting for the 3d stacked cache chips coming next year). Intel is seeming likely to have the pricing advantage this time due to their compatibility with DDR4, IIRC slightly lower prices and support for existing motherboards.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
> plus enthusiast gamers waiting for the 3d stacked cache chips coming next year) They're already here - the 5800X3D or whatever it's called - and there's a significant performance jump in a bunch of games. It is being released for the same cost as the non-stacked version of the chip, which has since come down in price. There are some downsides, like not being overclockable, so for workloads that don't benefit from the extra cache (which are many), it's not advantageous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBFNoKUHjcg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBFNoKUHjcg Edit: I apologize for not being more specific in a casual internet forum discussion, so as to make clear that I was simply pointing out that there are also some 3d cache chips already in the market. I mistakenly thought this was intuitively obvious to casual observers. Praise be that neogodless was available to prevent HN readers from being led astray. In the future, I will be more careful and exacting in my wording. I have been appropriately chided, and will not transgress again. Thank you for correcting me, good sir.
- neogodless 4y ago
  Parent comment is talking about Zen 4 / Ryzen 7000 generation part(s) with the 3D cache, which has not been released yet, but is on the roadmap.
- dotnet00 4y ago
  FWIW I didn't downvote you
neogodless 4y ago
For an idea of price differences, cheapest available parts to build a 6-core, 16GB (2x8) barebones system (motherboard, RAM, CPU) from Microcenter: AMD: Total $615 B650 motherboard $230 Ryzen 5 7600X (6C) $300 DDR5-4800 $85 Intel: Total $439 B660M motherboard (DDR4 only) $90 Core i5 13600k (6P + 8E) $300 DDR4-3200 $49 The motherboards are really killing it. DDR5 isn't such a problem. Yes it's more expensive, but higher performing. But their entry level motherboards need to come way down in price!
- ieee80211 4y ago
- dotnet00 4y ago
  DDR5 isn't such a problem for fresh builds, but for example, I already have 64GB of DDR4 so I'd rather use that and let DDR5 improve and have prices come down further before switching, so Intel is very tempting (not that I strictly NEED to upgrade) as I'd only have to upgrade CPU and motherboard.
- formerly_proven 4y ago
  I suspect board makers have upped prices a lot because AM5 will be another long-lived platform, so they wanna compensate for selling fewer boards per customer relative to Intel.

KennyBlanken 4y ago

> plus enthusiast gamers waiting for the 3d stacked cache chips coming next year) They're already here - the 5800X3D or whatever it's called - and there's a significant performance jump in a bunch of games. It is being released for the same cost as the non-stacked version of the chip, which has since come down in price. There are some downsides, like not being overclockable, so for workloads that don't benefit from the extra cache (which are many), it's not advantageous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBFNoKUHjcg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBFNoKUHjcg Edit: I apologize for not being more specific in a casual internet forum discussion, so as to make clear that I was simply pointing out that there are also some 3d cache chips already in the market. I mistakenly thought this was intuitively obvious to casual observers. Praise be that neogodless was available to prevent HN readers from being led astray. In the future, I will be more careful and exacting in my wording. I have been appropriately chided, and will not transgress again. Thank you for correcting me, good sir.

neogodless 4y ago
Parent comment is talking about Zen 4 / Ryzen 7000 generation part(s) with the 3D cache, which has not been released yet, but is on the roadmap.
dotnet00 4y ago
FWIW I didn't downvote you

neogodless 4y ago

For an idea of price differences, cheapest available parts to build a 6-core, 16GB (2x8) barebones system (motherboard, RAM, CPU) from Microcenter: AMD: Total $615 B650 motherboard $230 Ryzen 5 7600X (6C) $300 DDR5-4800 $85 Intel: Total $439 B660M motherboard (DDR4 only) $90 Core i5 13600k (6P + 8E) $300 DDR4-3200 $49 The motherboards are really killing it. DDR5 isn't such a problem. Yes it's more expensive, but higher performing. But their entry level motherboards need to come way down in price!

ieee80211 4y ago
dotnet00 4y ago
DDR5 isn't such a problem for fresh builds, but for example, I already have 64GB of DDR4 so I'd rather use that and let DDR5 improve and have prices come down further before switching, so Intel is very tempting (not that I strictly NEED to upgrade) as I'd only have to upgrade CPU and motherboard.
formerly_proven 4y ago
I suspect board makers have upped prices a lot because AM5 will be another long-lived platform, so they wanna compensate for selling fewer boards per customer relative to Intel.