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Exactly this.. Kubernetes provided some realizable value from the very first release. OpenStack has been around for 10+ years and mostly just provided slide-wa

Exactly this.. Kubernetes provided some realizable value from the very first release. OpenStack has been around for 10+ years and mostly just provided slide-ware value and maybe some strategic negotiating leverage and insurance of various forms. It’s actually interesting to me to hear from the sibling comment, that someone actually got to 1000s of VMs under management. I’m still not convinced it’s necessary or adding value in such situations vs “the field”.

jetbalsa 4y ago
Overall.. I am just running core services on openstack, I do like its project isolation. This allows me to give a account to a student group and not worry about them. this comes almost free with openstack. vSphere and Proxmox really don't do this well. the easisted to use deployment of openstack is "Kolla" and it really isn't maintaining anything outside of core services. its a real crapshoot if any of the "cloud services" will deploy at all or just explode your stack.
mschuster91 4y ago
> OpenStack has been around for 10+ years and mostly just provided slide-ware value and maybe some strategic negotiating leverage and insurance of various forms. There isn't much competition in the market and most of it is closed source, proprietary stuff - OpenStack in contrast is open source and made to fit the needs of CERN (they run 320.000 nodes). That maybe also explains the choice of Python and the sorry state of its documentation - scientists have ample time to deal with bullshit, corporate does not. [1] https://www.openstack.org/videos/summits/berlin-2018/towards-fully-automated-cern-private-cloud https://www.openstack.org/videos/summits/berlin-2018/towards...
- ashinclouds 4y ago
  So, CERN doesn't run that many machines. They do have that many cores across their OpenStack fleet. I actually think it is even more than that now since they've tweeted graphs[1] from adding 800+ new physical nodes to their clusters. Anyway, it is not all about CERN, but they are an active community contributor. They are an operator who speaks publicly of their work, challenges, and successes. They have championed fixing some issues they have encountered at their scale, and provided feedback to the various projects on aspects which would help them solve their infrastructure automation issues. The same has occurred with the telecoms and other verticals with specific needs that cannot use public clouds. As for docs, they vary from project to project, but one aspect I've encountered as a frustration and heard large scale operators echo, is that often search index results seem to favor some older specific release as opposed to the latest release, which creates a lot of confusion if your not aware of it and don't see the warning on the rendered webpage. Some other popular open source projects have encountered the same exact challenge, and it is a hard need to balance. [1] https://twitter.com/ArneWiebalck/status/1478778715005984772 https://twitter.com/ArneWiebalck/status/1478778715005984772
  - hyperionplays 4y ago
    China Mobile Cloud is built on openstack and has 1M+ cpu's at last count.
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jetbalsa 4y ago

Overall.. I am just running core services on openstack, I do like its project isolation. This allows me to give a account to a student group and not worry about them. this comes almost free with openstack. vSphere and Proxmox really don't do this well. the easisted to use deployment of openstack is "Kolla" and it really isn't maintaining anything outside of core services. its a real crapshoot if any of the "cloud services" will deploy at all or just explode your stack.

mschuster91 4y ago

> OpenStack has been around for 10+ years and mostly just provided slide-ware value and maybe some strategic negotiating leverage and insurance of various forms. There isn't much competition in the market and most of it is closed source, proprietary stuff - OpenStack in contrast is open source and made to fit the needs of CERN (they run 320.000 nodes). That maybe also explains the choice of Python and the sorry state of its documentation - scientists have ample time to deal with bullshit, corporate does not. [1] https://www.openstack.org/videos/summits/berlin-2018/towards-fully-automated-cern-private-cloud https://www.openstack.org/videos/summits/berlin-2018/towards...

ashinclouds 4y ago
So, CERN doesn't run that many machines. They do have that many cores across their OpenStack fleet. I actually think it is even more than that now since they've tweeted graphs[1] from adding 800+ new physical nodes to their clusters. Anyway, it is not all about CERN, but they are an active community contributor. They are an operator who speaks publicly of their work, challenges, and successes. They have championed fixing some issues they have encountered at their scale, and provided feedback to the various projects on aspects which would help them solve their infrastructure automation issues. The same has occurred with the telecoms and other verticals with specific needs that cannot use public clouds. As for docs, they vary from project to project, but one aspect I've encountered as a frustration and heard large scale operators echo, is that often search index results seem to favor some older specific release as opposed to the latest release, which creates a lot of confusion if your not aware of it and don't see the warning on the rendered webpage. Some other popular open source projects have encountered the same exact challenge, and it is a hard need to balance. [1] https://twitter.com/ArneWiebalck/status/1478778715005984772 https://twitter.com/ArneWiebalck/status/1478778715005984772
- hyperionplays 4y ago
  China Mobile Cloud is built on openstack and has 1M+ cpu's at last count.

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