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Why wouldn't you be honest about this? It's on Wikipedia! Starmer went to Oxford. "gained a postgraduate Bachelor of Civil Law degree at St Edmund Hall at the

Why wouldn't you be honest about this? It's on Wikipedia! Starmer went to Oxford. "gained a postgraduate Bachelor of Civil Law degree at St Edmund Hall at the University of Oxford in 1986." In the past 50 years there have only been 3 PMs not from Oxford. It has nothing to do with conservatives or labor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_education https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_t...

scott_w 4y ago
Postgraduate degrees are VERY different from undergraduate degrees, typically being a year long and being a lot less integrated into the "student lifestyle." Where you spend your time as an undergrad is a lot more impactful on who you interact with and how your worldview is formed than the time you may spend as a postgrad.
- light_hue_1 4y ago
  He has a degree from Oxford. Which you left out to make your side look better. I think it's time to look in the mirror and see that your preconceptions and biases are making you overlook reality. Like.. obvious reality. Reality that's so obvious it's in Wikipedia info boxes.
  - scott_w 4y ago
    > The difference is they all went to the same schools together. There's a number of components to the sentence I responded to: > same schools and > together An undergrad studying PPE and postgrad studying Law are not "going to Oxford together." Instead of trying to uncover some insidious bias on my end, I'd strongly recommend doing more than a surface level scan of Wikipedia pages to "win the argument," so to speak.
  - pmyteh 4y ago
    The experience of doing a postgraduate degree is so far away from the experience of studying at Oxford as an undergraduate that they may as well be different universities. Different demographic makeup (much fewer private school kids, much more international students), different teaching methods (no training in 'blagging' a 1:1 tutorial with minimal reading, a very transferable skill to politics) and no time to hack around at the Union or make a name in one of the political clubs. Honestly, the problem isn't even with all Oxford undergraduate degrees, just a slice of PPE and adjacent students who are vastly overrepresented in politics. (My background: Leeds BA, Oxford MSc/DPhil. Don't like Starmer, though, despite our similar university choices...)

scott_w 4y ago

Postgraduate degrees are VERY different from undergraduate degrees, typically being a year long and being a lot less integrated into the "student lifestyle." Where you spend your time as an undergrad is a lot more impactful on who you interact with and how your worldview is formed than the time you may spend as a postgrad.

light_hue_1 4y ago
He has a degree from Oxford. Which you left out to make your side look better. I think it's time to look in the mirror and see that your preconceptions and biases are making you overlook reality. Like.. obvious reality. Reality that's so obvious it's in Wikipedia info boxes.
- scott_w 4y ago
  > The difference is they all went to the same schools together. There's a number of components to the sentence I responded to: > same schools and > together An undergrad studying PPE and postgrad studying Law are not "going to Oxford together." Instead of trying to uncover some insidious bias on my end, I'd strongly recommend doing more than a surface level scan of Wikipedia pages to "win the argument," so to speak.
- pmyteh 4y ago
  The experience of doing a postgraduate degree is so far away from the experience of studying at Oxford as an undergraduate that they may as well be different universities. Different demographic makeup (much fewer private school kids, much more international students), different teaching methods (no training in 'blagging' a 1:1 tutorial with minimal reading, a very transferable skill to politics) and no time to hack around at the Union or make a name in one of the political clubs. Honestly, the problem isn't even with all Oxford undergraduate degrees, just a slice of PPE and adjacent students who are vastly overrepresented in politics. (My background: Leeds BA, Oxford MSc/DPhil. Don't like Starmer, though, despite our similar university choices...)