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I don’t know much about UK politics but why can’t you guys get Kemi Badenoch elected? She is younger and did not go to Oxford. Try something different. Maybe Ox

I don’t know much about UK politics but why can’t you guys get Kemi Badenoch elected? She is younger and did not go to Oxford. Try something different. Maybe Oxford is overrated:)

oakesm9 4y ago
She's on the right wing of the ring wing party in the UK, so she's likely not a good candidate for a general election where you need at least some centerist support. This is likely why Labour are doing well with Kier Starmer as he's palitable enough for modorate Tories to vote for.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
  it's worse than that, if you want to appeal to "the right wing of the ring wing party in the UK", then being either a woman or a person of colour is a disadvantage with that specific group of voters, more so than with the general UK voting public.
pjc50 4y ago
Why? She's a Brexiteer running on an "anti-woke" platform, we need more serious people instead.
- brink 4y ago
  Are you implying woke is serious?
  - cjrp 4y ago
    If wokeness is the biggest problem a politician sees at the moment (which is the implication if that's the platform they're running on), then no - they are not serious.
    - AzzieElbab 4y ago
      Of cause wokeness is the biggest issue because it causes paralysis of governance. No one can get anything done when non-issues or issues with no solutions are prioritised
      - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
        In context of the parent article, UK politics and the Tory party that's been in power for a while now: Would you say that "wokeness causing paralysis of governance" is their biggest problem to tackle right now? Because, on the face of it, that viewpoint seems to be simply deranged.
  - kergonath 4y ago
    Not being anti-woke does not make someone woke. There’s a whole bunch of people who think both sides range from silly to dangerous and would rather solve comparatively inconsequential issues like the economy/cost of life/global warming.
  - squarefoot 4y ago
    The principles are very serious; the implementation suffers from the usual risk of fighting a wrong in one direction with another wrong in the opposite direction. I still think that woke is a lot better than not woke, although they sometimes would need a reality check, which ultimately would help a lot the cause.
- AzzieElbab 4y ago
  Serious means impotent? You guys voted for brexit and that would put brexiters with the majority/centre. Plus this isn’t general election to the best of my understanding. Therefore, no need to appeal to leftists at all.
  - Lio 4y ago
    > You guys voted for brexit and that would put brexiters with the majority/centre. The brexit vote passed with a very slim majority, which is why it's still controversial here. It's also a cross spectrum issue, i.e. not of the left or the right. Personally, I would like to see our politics become more centred and pragmatic again. I don't want anyone like either Jeremy Corbyn or Jacob Rees-Mogg near the levers of power. Both seem determined to destroy things of value for the sake for the sake of the personal political dogmas.
    - Lio 4y ago
      (Sorry for the double "for the sake of" mistake in that last sentence. Too late to correct it now.)

I don’t know much about UK politics but why can’t you guys get Kemi Badenoch elected? She is younger and did not go to Oxford. Try something different. Maybe Oxford is overrated:)

oakesm9 4y ago

She's on the right wing of the ring wing party in the UK, so she's likely not a good candidate for a general election where you need at least some centerist support. This is likely why Labour are doing well with Kier Starmer as he's palitable enough for modorate Tories to vote for.

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
it's worse than that, if you want to appeal to "the right wing of the ring wing party in the UK", then being either a woman or a person of colour is a disadvantage with that specific group of voters, more so than with the general UK voting public.

pjc50 4y ago

Why? She's a Brexiteer running on an "anti-woke" platform, we need more serious people instead.

brink 4y ago
Are you implying woke is serious?
- cjrp 4y ago
  If wokeness is the biggest problem a politician sees at the moment (which is the implication if that's the platform they're running on), then no - they are not serious.
  - AzzieElbab 4y ago
    Of cause wokeness is the biggest issue because it causes paralysis of governance. No one can get anything done when non-issues or issues with no solutions are prioritised
    - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
      In context of the parent article, UK politics and the Tory party that's been in power for a while now: Would you say that "wokeness causing paralysis of governance" is their biggest problem to tackle right now? Because, on the face of it, that viewpoint seems to be simply deranged.
- kergonath 4y ago
  Not being anti-woke does not make someone woke. There’s a whole bunch of people who think both sides range from silly to dangerous and would rather solve comparatively inconsequential issues like the economy/cost of life/global warming.
- squarefoot 4y ago
  The principles are very serious; the implementation suffers from the usual risk of fighting a wrong in one direction with another wrong in the opposite direction. I still think that woke is a lot better than not woke, although they sometimes would need a reality check, which ultimately would help a lot the cause.
AzzieElbab 4y ago
Serious means impotent? You guys voted for brexit and that would put brexiters with the majority/centre. Plus this isn’t general election to the best of my understanding. Therefore, no need to appeal to leftists at all.
- Lio 4y ago
  > You guys voted for brexit and that would put brexiters with the majority/centre. The brexit vote passed with a very slim majority, which is why it's still controversial here. It's also a cross spectrum issue, i.e. not of the left or the right. Personally, I would like to see our politics become more centred and pragmatic again. I don't want anyone like either Jeremy Corbyn or Jacob Rees-Mogg near the levers of power. Both seem determined to destroy things of value for the sake for the sake of the personal political dogmas.
  - Lio 4y ago
    (Sorry for the double "for the sake of" mistake in that last sentence. Too late to correct it now.)