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Nicola Sturgeon said that she detests the Tories. her own party (the Scottish National Party, whose central goal is Scottish independence) distanced themselves

Nicola Sturgeon said that she detests the Tories. her own party (the Scottish National Party, whose central goal is Scottish independence) distanced themselves from those comments. Labour are not saying things like this. the Lib Dems are not saying things like this. and the Tories themselves aren’t saying things like this either this is the exception not the rule, and as evidence of this, it’s something that’s been turned over and over in the (especially right-wing) media for weeks now the two MPs killed were killed by Islamic and right-wing extremists, respectively. this has no bearing on how the main parties treat each other

chrisseaton 4y ago
> Labour are not saying things like this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/26/angela-rayner-stands-by-remarks-calling-tories-scum https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/26/angela-rayn...
- permo-w 4y ago
  the first paragraph of that article: >the Labour leader distanced himself from her words you’ve cherrypicked two examples that were disregarded by the parties as a whole, then discussed ad nauseam in the media. this is not evidence of anything
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    I don't understand this response - it's ok for people in one party to say whatever they want and it doesn't count because someone else 'distances' themselves? It was still said - the damage is still done to the level of civility and more hatred was thrown into the fire.
    - permo-w 4y ago
      you’re cherrypicking right-wing talking points to support an argument that doesn’t have much evidence
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        > you’re cherrypicking right-wing talking points In your first comment you said you thought the right-wing party weren't talking like this! No I think the problem is just as bad across all parties - hence those recent examples from a couple of moderate left-wing party members as well. That's the worst of it - the civility and willingness to work together is down across the board so I can't see a change of government improving it either.
        permo-w 4y ago
        each of the examples you’ve given were and currently are being endlessly rerun and reran in the media. condemned by allies and discussed ad nauseum. this is hardly routine, normalised behaviour you can point to and say “this is representative of the whole”
lostlogin 4y ago
> Tories themselves aren’t saying things like this either Maybe not, but pretending they are better while ignoring the homophobia, racism, sexism and offensive class warfare from the like of Boris Johnson seems disingenuous.
- insanitybit 4y ago
  It's not disingenuous it's just not related to those issues. You can talk about the government having a sense of decorum without addressing policy issues. The fact is that Johnson was ousted by his own party, as was Truss. That would never happen in the US because it's party before everything.
- permo-w 4y ago
  who is pretending they're better? me?
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    That bit of my comment is not accurate - sorry. I was trying to make the point that The Conservative Party had members making some pretty average comments on a regular basis.

chrisseaton 4y ago

> Labour are not saying things like this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/26/angela-rayner-stands-by-remarks-calling-tories-scum https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/26/angela-rayn...

permo-w 4y ago
the first paragraph of that article: >the Labour leader distanced himself from her words you’ve cherrypicked two examples that were disregarded by the parties as a whole, then discussed ad nauseam in the media. this is not evidence of anything
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  I don't understand this response - it's ok for people in one party to say whatever they want and it doesn't count because someone else 'distances' themselves? It was still said - the damage is still done to the level of civility and more hatred was thrown into the fire.
  - permo-w 4y ago
    you’re cherrypicking right-wing talking points to support an argument that doesn’t have much evidence
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      > you’re cherrypicking right-wing talking points In your first comment you said you thought the right-wing party weren't talking like this! No I think the problem is just as bad across all parties - hence those recent examples from a couple of moderate left-wing party members as well. That's the worst of it - the civility and willingness to work together is down across the board so I can't see a change of government improving it either.
      - permo-w 4y ago
        each of the examples you’ve given were and currently are being endlessly rerun and reran in the media. condemned by allies and discussed ad nauseum. this is hardly routine, normalised behaviour you can point to and say “this is representative of the whole”

lostlogin 4y ago

> Tories themselves aren’t saying things like this either Maybe not, but pretending they are better while ignoring the homophobia, racism, sexism and offensive class warfare from the like of Boris Johnson seems disingenuous.

insanitybit 4y ago
It's not disingenuous it's just not related to those issues. You can talk about the government having a sense of decorum without addressing policy issues. The fact is that Johnson was ousted by his own party, as was Truss. That would never happen in the US because it's party before everything.
permo-w 4y ago
who is pretending they're better? me?
- lostlogin 4y ago
  That bit of my comment is not accurate - sorry. I was trying to make the point that The Conservative Party had members making some pretty average comments on a regular basis.