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RIAA Flags ‘Artificial Intelligence’ Music Mixer as Emerging Copyright Threat

17 points by crtasm 4y ago

yummypaint 4y ago
The very concept and purpose of copyright is being perverted before our eyes. Listening to these companies you would think copyright means "anything good for our bottom line." The idea that purchasing music and then altering it yourself to suit your tastes is somehow wrong is extremely rich coming from an entirely parasitic industry offering artists less with each passing year.
- lofatdairy 4y ago
  >Listening to these companies you would think copyright means "anything good for our bottom line." Since these companies are the ones hiring lobbyists to write and influence copyright law and enforcement, this definition is often both de facto and de jure. Not just in law either but record label are allowed to let their content identification AI run rampant on YouTube and other platforms with hardly any oversight for false claims.
hyperman1 4y ago
This is interesting news. Either they are right, i.e. microsoft's gitlab code as ai training data for code completion is illegal. Or Microsoft is right and the RIAA should stop whining. 'Sometimes it's like a wasp landing on a nettle. Someone's gonna get stung, and you don't care who'
- klyrs 4y ago
  The tops of stinging nettles don't sting, only the the underside. If you're careful, you can pick & eat them and they're quite nice in spring. The wasp will be fine, and has no desire to harm the nettle. Somehow, I expect both RIAA and Microsoft will win their cases and the supreme court won't see them as similar.
  - hyperman1 4y ago
    I hate you for being so clearly right, and for perfectly adapting Terry Pratchett's quote. Have an upvote ;-)
uni_rule 4y ago
I really don't want AI bullshit to be a copyright "gray market" affair like MP3 Players and media rips are. That would be a pain in the ass. They already did enough harm to the legal viability of regular sampling, I think I might go slightly insane if they succeeded at banning this.
TechBro8615 4y ago
Record labels, not listeners, are the primary threat to revenue of artists. We should encourage trends that lose money for producers but accelerate progress toward direct payments to the artist. Personally, I haven't pirated music since ~2011 when Spotify introduced a usable service with a full catalog (the movie industry could take a hint). I know this arrangement is not great for the artists, but at least they can work directly with Spotify. When I really want to support an artist, I buy a ticket to their performance and tell my friends about them.
- wjnc 4y ago
  To be fair, those € 1200 for music via Spotify are easily dwarfed by the about 100 cd’s I bought as a teenager ten years prior. There’s no chance I would have spent this little for physical copies. Especially for more niche music (say, classical) I expect the returns must have fallen drastically. Less returns just means less records and less artists, amplifying the top lot and historic catalogue.

17 points by crtasm 4y ago

The very concept and purpose of copyright is being perverted before our eyes. Listening to these companies you would think copyright means "anything good for our bottom line." The idea that purchasing music and then altering it yourself to suit your tastes is somehow wrong is extremely rich coming from an entirely parasitic industry offering artists less with each passing year.

lofatdairy 4y ago
>Listening to these companies you would think copyright means "anything good for our bottom line." Since these companies are the ones hiring lobbyists to write and influence copyright law and enforcement, this definition is often both de facto and de jure. Not just in law either but record label are allowed to let their content identification AI run rampant on YouTube and other platforms with hardly any oversight for false claims.

hyperman1 4y ago

This is interesting news. Either they are right, i.e. microsoft's gitlab code as ai training data for code completion is illegal. Or Microsoft is right and the RIAA should stop whining. 'Sometimes it's like a wasp landing on a nettle. Someone's gonna get stung, and you don't care who'

klyrs 4y ago
The tops of stinging nettles don't sting, only the the underside. If you're careful, you can pick & eat them and they're quite nice in spring. The wasp will be fine, and has no desire to harm the nettle. Somehow, I expect both RIAA and Microsoft will win their cases and the supreme court won't see them as similar.
- hyperman1 4y ago
  I hate you for being so clearly right, and for perfectly adapting Terry Pratchett's quote. Have an upvote ;-)

uni_rule 4y ago

I really don't want AI bullshit to be a copyright "gray market" affair like MP3 Players and media rips are. That would be a pain in the ass. They already did enough harm to the legal viability of regular sampling, I think I might go slightly insane if they succeeded at banning this.

TechBro8615 4y ago

Record labels, not listeners, are the primary threat to revenue of artists. We should encourage trends that lose money for producers but accelerate progress toward direct payments to the artist. Personally, I haven't pirated music since ~2011 when Spotify introduced a usable service with a full catalog (the movie industry could take a hint). I know this arrangement is not great for the artists, but at least they can work directly with Spotify. When I really want to support an artist, I buy a ticket to their performance and tell my friends about them.

wjnc 4y ago
To be fair, those € 1200 for music via Spotify are easily dwarfed by the about 100 cd’s I bought as a teenager ten years prior. There’s no chance I would have spent this little for physical copies. Especially for more niche music (say, classical) I expect the returns must have fallen drastically. Less returns just means less records and less artists, amplifying the top lot and historic catalogue.