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Good. As it exists right now, the Russian government should have zero access to anything.

aa-jv 4y ago
.. and how will you feel that this precedent has been set in the court of international affairs, when your country decides to usurp and defeat other sovereign nations around the world? I mean, sure. Lets have Russia treated the way a country should be treated when it invades another sovereign nation. That'd be progress, and it would be a great way to stop the US' imperialism, also, while we're at it ..
- roflyear 4y ago
  Great. We shouldn't be doing that.
  - aa-jv 4y ago
    Whatever sanctions Russia should suffer, the USA and its allies should also suffer the next time they drop troops in a sovereign nation and destroy its government. Simple as that.
    - benisamigas 4y ago
    - r2_pilot 4y ago
      * if done unilaterally without the consent of the international community, in contradiction to UN guidelines, and while committing war crimes against the civilian population, sure, I might could go for that. But this Russian situation is vastly different from the majority of actions taken by the US.
      - patrick451 4y ago
        So you would agree at least some actions taken by the U.S. are not that different? In particular, the U.S invasion of Iraq seems to be pretty much the same thing Russia is doing, but with even less justification.
        pwinnski 4y ago
        You missed the part about the support of the international community. At the time the US invaded Iraq, they (we) unfortunately had widespread support in the general sense, even if some countries were less supportive on the specifics. International consensus means quite a bit in cases like this, right or wrong. On the other hand, yes, if the US had been defying international consensus when invading Iraq, I do hope that the International community would push back in a way that caused the US to rethink their (our) approach.
        yks 4y ago
        While the US had no business invading Iraq, they were not doing genocide there, they were not explicitly bombing civilians far away from the frontlines, and also not annexing territory, so those invasions are wildly different.
        Viliam1234 4y ago
        Yes, it surprises me a lot how people ignore the part about annexing territories. I tried to find what was the last time USA annexed a territory, but I am not sure about the technical details. Would it be Wake Island conquered in 1945? No permanent population, in the middle of nowhere, almost 1000 km from the nearest inhabited place. Or Hawaii which became the fiftieth state in 1959, after being annexed in 1898? To find some analogy to what Russia is doing today, one has to look more than a century ago. Meanwhile, Russia is trying to grow to the size of the former Soviet Union. Yet somehow, for many people, it is the same thing.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      Sure, sounds good. Let's do that.
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- patrick451 4y ago
  Agreed. The amount of sanctimonious hypocrisy it takes to forget or forgive all the unprovoked invasions and nation building the U.S. has conducted over the last 50 years is really difficult to understand.
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.. and how will you feel that this precedent has been set in the court of international affairs, when your country decides to usurp and defeat other sovereign nations around the world? I mean, sure. Lets have Russia treated the way a country should be treated when it invades another sovereign nation. That'd be progress, and it would be a great way to stop the US' imperialism, also, while we're at it ..

roflyear 4y ago
Great. We shouldn't be doing that.
- aa-jv 4y ago
  Whatever sanctions Russia should suffer, the USA and its allies should also suffer the next time they drop troops in a sovereign nation and destroy its government. Simple as that.
  - benisamigas 4y ago
  - r2_pilot 4y ago
    * if done unilaterally without the consent of the international community, in contradiction to UN guidelines, and while committing war crimes against the civilian population, sure, I might could go for that. But this Russian situation is vastly different from the majority of actions taken by the US.
    - patrick451 4y ago
      So you would agree at least some actions taken by the U.S. are not that different? In particular, the U.S invasion of Iraq seems to be pretty much the same thing Russia is doing, but with even less justification.
      - pwinnski 4y ago
        You missed the part about the support of the international community. At the time the US invaded Iraq, they (we) unfortunately had widespread support in the general sense, even if some countries were less supportive on the specifics. International consensus means quite a bit in cases like this, right or wrong. On the other hand, yes, if the US had been defying international consensus when invading Iraq, I do hope that the International community would push back in a way that caused the US to rethink their (our) approach.
      - yks 4y ago
        While the US had no business invading Iraq, they were not doing genocide there, they were not explicitly bombing civilians far away from the frontlines, and also not annexing territory, so those invasions are wildly different.
        Viliam1234 4y ago
        Yes, it surprises me a lot how people ignore the part about annexing territories. I tried to find what was the last time USA annexed a territory, but I am not sure about the technical details. Would it be Wake Island conquered in 1945? No permanent population, in the middle of nowhere, almost 1000 km from the nearest inhabited place. Or Hawaii which became the fiftieth state in 1959, after being annexed in 1898? To find some analogy to what Russia is doing today, one has to look more than a century ago. Meanwhile, Russia is trying to grow to the size of the former Soviet Union. Yet somehow, for many people, it is the same thing.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Sure, sounds good. Let's do that.
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patrick451 4y ago
Agreed. The amount of sanctimonious hypocrisy it takes to forget or forgive all the unprovoked invasions and nation building the U.S. has conducted over the last 50 years is really difficult to understand.

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