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Inanimate objects can certainly alter their surroundings, or life could never have arisen.
by FeepingCreature 4y ago
Inanimate objects can certainly alter their surroundings, or life could never have arisen.
- jqpabc123 4y agoAre you sure they did this all by themselves --- no external forces and/or quantum physics involved?
- ben_w 4y agoWhy are those suddenly important? Silicon computers involve both, even when un-networked and alone in a cupboard.
- jqpabc123 4y agoA lightening strike nearby once caused by DVD player to turn on. Does that make it "conscious"?
- ben_w 4y agoAccording to your definition: > It's just one of the things that inanimate objects can't do --- they can't alter their surroundings And given that you wrote that as a response to the question: > What's consciousness have to do with impact on reality? Then you must logically say that it is. Fortunately I don't have to claim such a belief for myself, because I said earlier: > nobody really knows what "consciousness" means (or if they are completely certain, then they also disagree with someone else who is also completely certain and/or deny the logical consequences of that definition). With specific emphasis on "deny the logical consequences of that definition". Ah well. Perhaps one day, we'll have an AI that can tell us what consciousness is without repeating all the mistakes and pitfalls that humans make when trying to philosophise about this topic.
- jqpabc123 4y agoThe DVD player didn't *do* anything. It was all the result of the lightning strike.
- ben_w 4y agoIf you wish to make that claim now, then you appear to be mixing your definitions in the middle of your argument.
- MarcoZavala 4y ago
- FeepingCreature 4y agoYes