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It's not Macron threatening to use nukes in Ukraine. Putin is. And the less the world is willing to stand up to him (like Macron) the more likely he is to use t
by nickpp 4y ago
It's not Macron threatening to use nukes in Ukraine. Putin is. And the less the world is willing to stand up to him (like Macron) the more likely he is to use them.
- aa-jv 4y ago"Standing up" to Putin is not the only option. You could also try diplomacy, which is drastically missing in all Western political circles these days .. Diplomacy could have stopped this war. Period.
- nickpp 4y ago> Diplomacy could have stopped this war. How, exactly? Putin on the other hand could stop this war at any time. Maybe you should direct your "diplomacy" message at him instead of at the "Western political circles". LE: Don't forget this war started in 2014 with Russia's invasion of Crimea. And Russia was also the one who broke the Minsk Agreements, in 2022.
- aa-jv 4y agoThe Minsk agreements could have been followed through by both parties, and those with the weight to do so (The West) could have leaned on Ukraine to make sure it followed up on its obligations instead of just .. you know .. pissing all over them .. A lot of peoples lives could have been saved. Maybe you don't know about the Minsk accords: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements
- nnx 4y agoIt’s like Minsk Agreements have been memory holed… Unjustified unprovoked war and all that…
- aa-jv 4y agoI doubt many in this thread arguing for nuclear war even know where Minsk is on the map, let alone understand the importance of the Minsk Accords having been non-complied with by both parties ..
- nickpp 4y agoYou're wrong about this too. I live in Eastern Europe, I had Ukrainian refugees in my house and I have been warning Westerners like yourself about the Russian danger for almost 30 years or so. But, like now, nobody listened...
- jjulius 4y ago>The Minsk agreements... ... didn't need to exist had Russia not invaded in the first place.
- walls 4y agoUkraine already had diplomacy, genius. Russia set up on the border and invaded anyway because they are completely untrustworthy.
- aa-jv 4y agoNo, Ukraine didn't use diplomacy. Otherwise please explain the 14,000 dead civilians that occurred up to Feb 23, 2022... EDIT: Downvoted because "dead civilians are diplomacy", got it ..
- thedorkknight 4y agoYou probably got downvoted because the war itself happened in spite of diplomacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Frie...
- aa-jv 4y agoWar only happens because of a failure of diplomacy.
- thedorkknight 4y agoThey literally had a treaty agreeing not to build nukes if Russia doesn't invade. Diplomacy FAILED to stop the war
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- fallingknife 4y agoMacron is right. If Russia nukes Ukraine, I would choose letting them have it over nuclear war with Russia.
- nickpp 4y agoDon't you think that by "choosing to let them" in advance and communicating it openly - you increase the likelihood they'll do it? LE: Right now, not "in the future". And then do it again, for the next conquest? And then other dictators like Iran, North Korea and China do it as well?
- fallingknife 4y agoIncreasing the likelihood in the future is better than a 100% probability now.
- computerfriend 4y agoIf Russia nukes Ukraine and gets away with it, what do you think happens in the future?
- 5560675260 4y agoWould you be willing to give away Alaska? Getting it back is part of russian nationalist discourse. Obviously not of the mainstream one, but only 10 years ago subjugation of Ukraine wasn't a part of mainstream discourse either.
- fallingknife 4y agoUkraine isn't part of the US. We aren't giving away anything because it was never ours to give.