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> how humans organise into cities and the needs for such cities to be efficient. The same cities that many people despise living in yet do so for work? The sam

> how humans organise into cities and the needs for such cities to be efficient. The same cities that many people despise living in yet do so for work? The same ones that basically everyone recognises aren't efficient at all. What is an ideal city in your opinion? San Fransciso? New York? Paris? They are horribly inefficient places to live. Here in Sydney I know people who live in suburbia and need 20 mins in a car to simply buy a loaf of bread, there's no shops anywhere close by, it's just endless constant sprawl and 10 hours of commuting a week, 480 hours a year, and this is considered one of the most liveable places on Earth bizarrely. I would love to hear what you think is a good proposal for a new city if this one is terrible? > eat resources away due to the whims of one egoistical dictator Not sure if you know much about the country, but prolific waste is basically their thing, as far as I'm concerned at least it's money not being spent on buying American bombs and military hardware. Every cent counts :)

piva00 4y ago
> The same cities that many people despise living in yet do so for work? The same ones that basically everyone recognises aren't efficient at all. What is an ideal city in your opinion? San Fransciso? New York? Paris? Stockholm (my current city for almost a decade), Copenhagen, Berlin, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, etc. are quite efficient and very pleasant to live in. The issue people currently have in those is cost of living. I don't live in the US and I think American cities are horrors, just not as bad as in my native country (Brazil), which were completely "inspired" by American urban design. Don't pigeonhole cities just in the ones you feel are terrible, get out of the bubble, there are plenty of examples of very livable and nice cities. The Americas are not in that category, generally speaking.
- powerapple 4y ago
  I think the wall could be Stockholm. Pleasant to live in is subjective, so it the Wall. But I do worry about 1) being a scam, someone is selling a daydream to the King; 2) the cost, the cost can grow out of control; European cities are nice, but we know it is not possible for developing countries to repeat it, too expensive.
  - piva00 4y ago
    If Ukraine and Bulgaria can have very livable cities I don't think it's a stretch for developing countries to have them. It's much more expensive to keep resurfacing streets and roads over and over due to the immense amount of car traffic that an undeveloped public transportation system pushes to. What costs are you talking about? There's nothing too expensive about doing decent urban planning in line with the resources you currently have, it's much more a question of follow-through on long-term plans than absolute cost of implementation... The issue is much deeper and nuanced than cost, it's corruption, it's short-sighted politics due to populism and uneducated populations, etc.
    - powerapple 4y ago
      Do you know the most important thing in developing world is electricity? Many people don't even have lights to keep the room bright once sunset. How expensive is expensive? I know people may only have meat once a year, is meat so expensive? Nothing is short signed, it is a decision over priority, and poor countries don't really have many options.

piva00 4y ago

> The same cities that many people despise living in yet do so for work? The same ones that basically everyone recognises aren't efficient at all. What is an ideal city in your opinion? San Fransciso? New York? Paris? Stockholm (my current city for almost a decade), Copenhagen, Berlin, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, etc. are quite efficient and very pleasant to live in. The issue people currently have in those is cost of living. I don't live in the US and I think American cities are horrors, just not as bad as in my native country (Brazil), which were completely "inspired" by American urban design. Don't pigeonhole cities just in the ones you feel are terrible, get out of the bubble, there are plenty of examples of very livable and nice cities. The Americas are not in that category, generally speaking.

powerapple 4y ago
I think the wall could be Stockholm. Pleasant to live in is subjective, so it the Wall. But I do worry about 1) being a scam, someone is selling a daydream to the King; 2) the cost, the cost can grow out of control; European cities are nice, but we know it is not possible for developing countries to repeat it, too expensive.
- piva00 4y ago
  If Ukraine and Bulgaria can have very livable cities I don't think it's a stretch for developing countries to have them. It's much more expensive to keep resurfacing streets and roads over and over due to the immense amount of car traffic that an undeveloped public transportation system pushes to. What costs are you talking about? There's nothing too expensive about doing decent urban planning in line with the resources you currently have, it's much more a question of follow-through on long-term plans than absolute cost of implementation... The issue is much deeper and nuanced than cost, it's corruption, it's short-sighted politics due to populism and uneducated populations, etc.
  - powerapple 4y ago
    Do you know the most important thing in developing world is electricity? Many people don't even have lights to keep the room bright once sunset. How expensive is expensive? I know people may only have meat once a year, is meat so expensive? Nothing is short signed, it is a decision over priority, and poor countries don't really have many options.