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Yeah. Your way wastes everyones time as the product isn't right from the start and it's harder to build a great business, as you don't know if you'll ever get p
by trapper 18y ago
Yeah. Your way wastes everyones time as the product isn't right from the start and it's harder to build a great business, as you don't know if you'll ever get paid. Everyone to their own though. I'd rather be sure.
- mroman 18y agoOh, "my way" involves solving the problem of "how to find out what users want" WITHOUT resorting to shady little tactics. I refuse to believe that there is no other way of conducting a market study other than resorting to sneaky, dastardly little tactics. Why? because there ARE other ways. Also, nice strawman, I obviously did not counter with "conduct NO market studies/surveys" - I came back with "that's dishonest and I don't believe in it". Funny, how I have set up services (granted, not products) that made me money and I did not have to resort to cheap little deceptive tricks.
- trapper 18y ago1. How can you be sure someone wants to pay for something unless they bring out their credit card? I would love to know a better way. 2. Is it unethical to sell a product that isn't right for the market, and promote half truths like most advertising does? Which is better in the long run? I would rather have a product I can be statistically confident is going to sell because users have wanted to pay for it. There's no debating whether it's right for the market or not. Thanks for the discussion by the way, this is fun :). If you do have a better way I'd love to know.
- mroman 18y agoI keep trying to post a reply, and this app simply hangs and then displays a blank screen.
- mroman 18y agoAs I mentioned, finding out what the users want is a worthwhile problem in and of itself. There can be no one true formula, as not all scenarios are the same.
- mroman 18y agoWhat has worked for me in the past (for the provision of services) has been a combination of becoming intimately acquainted with a process, and talking to people who carry out this process regularly, both with the intention of identifying where a need can be fulfilled. I am not talking about a bullet list of features to checkmark or cross out, that's junk, users don't LIE about a feature that they say they need and then don't, no, users simply do not know what they truly need a lot of the time, I don't focus on getting them to tell me a feature per se or a highly detailed aspect of the service I aim to provide them with (because what the hell do they know about the work I am doing, they know about the work they do, which is why I go to them) I focus on obtaining information and insight from them. I aim to give people what they need, as opposed to what they want . . . why? because if you just give them what they need, they will thank you for it later when they realize that this is what they needed, if you give them what they want, they will later realize that is not what they needed, but will not blame themselves for it, they will blame you.
- mroman 18y agoMarket surveys and market studies in many ways shapes and forms have been, are, and will continue to be used to great success, the problem with your variation is that it involves deception. You don't bs people and trick them into taking your marketing survey under the guise of a product offer. I am seriously curious to know how many times you have seen that work. I would think that many people would resent the tactic and retaliate by not purchasing your product, or they would lose their trust in you (and rightly so, you done suckered them once) and therefore respect. It's interesting to note how many thousands of products have been researched, developed, and taken to market to great success, without deception tactics.