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Sure, but if you measure 30 years, let’s say starting at 20 for a young adult - that all the way until they are 50 they will have to deal with this. We as a soc

Sure, but if you measure 30 years, let’s say starting at 20 for a young adult - that all the way until they are 50 they will have to deal with this. We as a society are basically saying at least one generation of people are a lost generation. Like all the people that slaved during Industrialization without workers protection or quality of life fixes, or all the millions that died in WW1/2 because we couldn’t understand what a world war actually was. There will be a lost generation to Ai, we simply can’t see it because right now it makes digital art from funny text prompts.

AussieWog93 4y ago
Not saying you're wrong[1], but if it weren't AI it'd be something else. Attempting to solve really hairy problems with a simple, universally applicable solution is a tale as old as time. [1] Although I suspect a sea of AI-generated bullshit metrics would be closer in impact to outsourcing/insourcing cycles or whatever the hell we've allowed HR to become than WW2.
dopidopHN 4y ago
I don't know for the US worker, they seems to be able to take any abuse and ask for more free market in their ass. But that stuff would not fly in places where workers have some leverage and can influence policies. ( Or let's be more real : influence policies roll-out and eventually stopping them for a few years )
- willnonya 4y ago
  Citations needed. As someone who works in an international environment and routinely taveles between sites run by international conglomerates workers in Europe for example are not better protected than workers in the US, they've simply ceded more control to government. The real difference between European and US workers is in sheer productivity. Sure, Americans work more hours but they also get more done in those hours. The difference in regulatory and cultural overheads is significant.
  - dopidopHN 4y ago
    > Citations needed I come to that at this end. I will start by giving the at-will contract example of poor US worker protection. Those at-will contract are not contracts. They describe in great lengths that you don't have any relationship with your employer. No string attach! Great, I wonder who benefit more from it? That has deep consequences, and the result is when I work in the US i feel a Damocles sword upon me, while in Europe I feel deeply secure. ( for the The why comes down to those questions. - Can you be fired without cause and not get compensated? - What is your level of compensation if you do get fired ( with or without cause)? For how long? - Does your employers have to contribute to your retirement funds? - What happen to your retirement fund if the economy goes to shit? Where was the money all along? - What are your recourse in case of a disagreement with your employers? Can you realistically exercise those resources on a tie budget and limited time ( eg: single mother working full time for minimal wage ) --- The fun part : > Sure, Americans work more hours but they also get more done in those hours. No. Pretty sure you are mislead. From memory the most productive place on earth is some western European country like Luxembourg or Belgium. They work less but produce a similar output of GDP. Let me find a source on that. Yeah. GPD per hour: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-productive-countries https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-prod... The US is just behind France. In 8th position. French workers contribute $79.70 to the GDP (PPP) per hour worked. France’s workweeks are the fifth-shortest among OECD countries at 38.9 hours. France’s productivity is about 25% higher than the OECD average and EU averages. While US workers contribute $79.60 to the GDP. American full-time employees work 41.5 hours per week, and about 11.1% of employees work over 50 hours per week. So, that for productivity, seems comparable in term of GDP. But then ... A macdonald worker has 5 week vacation / years, per law in France. That's a starting point. The work week is 35h/week, per law. ( people work 40h, but they get 5h/week of extra vacation on top of the mandatory 5 weeks ) So, to build on that example, French work less but the holy-GDP per hour worked is slightly better than the US. And they get slightly more respect show to them in the form of predictable, enforceable and protective contracts. I don't know what's wrong with the US. I looks like diminishing return on pressuring your worker into more work?
    - HideousKojima 4y ago
SuoDuanDao 4y ago
I don't think there's a 'will' about it... the people who grew up with social media at every age already have a mental health crisis that society wasn't prepared for.
qualudeheart 4y ago
Nothing human makes it out of the near future. Can what’s playing you make it to level two?

AussieWog93 4y ago

Not saying you're wrong[1], but if it weren't AI it'd be something else. Attempting to solve really hairy problems with a simple, universally applicable solution is a tale as old as time. [1] Although I suspect a sea of AI-generated bullshit metrics would be closer in impact to outsourcing/insourcing cycles or whatever the hell we've allowed HR to become than WW2.

dopidopHN 4y ago

I don't know for the US worker, they seems to be able to take any abuse and ask for more free market in their ass. But that stuff would not fly in places where workers have some leverage and can influence policies. ( Or let's be more real : influence policies roll-out and eventually stopping them for a few years )

willnonya 4y ago
Citations needed. As someone who works in an international environment and routinely taveles between sites run by international conglomerates workers in Europe for example are not better protected than workers in the US, they've simply ceded more control to government. The real difference between European and US workers is in sheer productivity. Sure, Americans work more hours but they also get more done in those hours. The difference in regulatory and cultural overheads is significant.
- dopidopHN 4y ago
  > Citations needed I come to that at this end. I will start by giving the at-will contract example of poor US worker protection. Those at-will contract are not contracts. They describe in great lengths that you don't have any relationship with your employer. No string attach! Great, I wonder who benefit more from it? That has deep consequences, and the result is when I work in the US i feel a Damocles sword upon me, while in Europe I feel deeply secure. ( for the The why comes down to those questions. - Can you be fired without cause and not get compensated? - What is your level of compensation if you do get fired ( with or without cause)? For how long? - Does your employers have to contribute to your retirement funds? - What happen to your retirement fund if the economy goes to shit? Where was the money all along? - What are your recourse in case of a disagreement with your employers? Can you realistically exercise those resources on a tie budget and limited time ( eg: single mother working full time for minimal wage ) --- The fun part : > Sure, Americans work more hours but they also get more done in those hours. No. Pretty sure you are mislead. From memory the most productive place on earth is some western European country like Luxembourg or Belgium. They work less but produce a similar output of GDP. Let me find a source on that. Yeah. GPD per hour: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-productive-countries https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-prod... The US is just behind France. In 8th position. French workers contribute $79.70 to the GDP (PPP) per hour worked. France’s workweeks are the fifth-shortest among OECD countries at 38.9 hours. France’s productivity is about 25% higher than the OECD average and EU averages. While US workers contribute $79.60 to the GDP. American full-time employees work 41.5 hours per week, and about 11.1% of employees work over 50 hours per week. So, that for productivity, seems comparable in term of GDP. But then ... A macdonald worker has 5 week vacation / years, per law in France. That's a starting point. The work week is 35h/week, per law. ( people work 40h, but they get 5h/week of extra vacation on top of the mandatory 5 weeks ) So, to build on that example, French work less but the holy-GDP per hour worked is slightly better than the US. And they get slightly more respect show to them in the form of predictable, enforceable and protective contracts. I don't know what's wrong with the US. I looks like diminishing return on pressuring your worker into more work?
  - HideousKojima 4y ago

SuoDuanDao 4y ago

I don't think there's a 'will' about it... the people who grew up with social media at every age already have a mental health crisis that society wasn't prepared for.

qualudeheart 4y ago

Nothing human makes it out of the near future. Can what’s playing you make it to level two?