I don't know how we get to fixing the problems that land people in prison in the first place. All I'm saying is pick a logical position and stick with it. If it

I don't know how we get to fixing the problems that land people in prison in the first place. All I'm saying is pick a logical position and stick with it. If it's reforming people, put them on a farm. If it's punishment, put them in a gulag. To me, reform (lefty) and punishment (righty) are just hot topic culture war footballs. Both sides like to kick them around. The real issue is what is the point of this prison institution? No one seems to know. If there's any logic, it should be to protect society from your murderers and rapists. What happens to them after that can be argued by every liberal and conservative on the planet, but I think it's important to delineate clean goals first.