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Listen, Jason, please don't take this as an attack. You seem like a nice, earnest guy who in many ways is really trying to help. But your inability to distingu
by joebadmo 15y ago
Listen, Jason, please don't take this as an attack. You seem like a nice, earnest guy who in many ways is really trying to help.
But your inability to distinguish between bullshit and demonstration of value is abhorrent to me. If you make an amazing product and never tell anyone about it, you're keeping it a secret. If you honestly demonstrate its value to a demographic who can truly benefit from it, that's good marketing and communication. If you lie or exaggerate to people about what your product can do, that's bullshit. These are on a spectrum.
I'm going to be blunt here. Pretty much everything on your site, from the branding, to the copy, to the actual blog post itself, which I find mostly insubstantial, sets off alarms. Your basic premise -- that transactions should be mutually beneficial and sales is communication of that mutual benefit -- is not particularly insightful or well-represented. The ratio of self-promotion to content is disconcerting. The presented 'attitude' is off-putting and seems forced.
The fact that you can't distinguish between what patio11 does and what an archetypal used car salesman just makes me think you're a bullshitter.
But maybe I'm not your target demographic. That's fine. Don't let me stop you. If it works, it works. But know that that's the kind of stuff that makes me allergic to self-promotion in the first place. I don't want to present myself this way, I don't want to be this way, even if that's what it takes to succeed. And the fact that it works hurts my soul.
Again, I'm not attacking you, and I'm not trying to be negative. I'm trying to be honest about how I perceive your site. (If you don't think I'm your target demographic, please safely ignore me.) I'm also trying, in my own way, to come to terms with a form of salesmanship that doesn't make me hate myself.
- jasonshen 15y agoHaven't taken any offense and appreciate the honest dialogue. I haven't said anything or implied anything about lying and I think we agree that these behaviors are on a spectrum. The point of the post was actually to just underline the importance of sales in our lives - and that everyone needs to sell in order to succeed. Many others have made this point before, which is fine. I believe that "honestly demonstrating its value to a demographic" is a form of selling and that improving the ability to sell will help achieve goals. I appreciate your feedback. I know that some find my style distasteful and acknowledge that not everyone sees things this way. I will say that U have targeted this series toward people who are closer to the patio11 than used car salesman and this thread will help me adjust my future posts to get my message across better.
- joebadmo 15y agoHey, I have to say that as much as I don't like about your presentation, I admire your willingness to engage and your openness to criticism. If you'd like any specific help, like notes on how your site and writing looks from my side of things, please don't hesitate to let me know. And I'm always open to feedback on my own site and writing (though you might not be my target audience, but, then again, I don't really know who is). Maybe we can even come to a mutually beneficial transaction.