> I think that you can't really examine your out of a fundamental drive. It's a problem to label something a fundamental drive, because you're implicitly sayin

> I think that you can't really examine your out of a fundamental drive. It's a problem to label something a fundamental drive, because you're implicitly saying that someone experiencing it is powerless. What if it's not fundamental? You think so, but you might be wrong. Let's just call it a desire. Btw, kids on paper being a bad deal is a bold statement. For thousands of years that was the primary way of investment. Between the ages 13 and 16 a child on a farm would return all investment required up to that point. And, as for biology, I'd say that the primary differentiator of the human animal is just how flexible it is in the face of desires such as this.