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I wish them success. It could be an interesting experiment. I hope it is not a scam by some architects. From people living in other places, this is not attracti

I wish them success. It could be an interesting experiment. I hope it is not a scam by some architects. From people living in other places, this is not attractive, but for people living in deserts, it could be something nice.

Rebelgecko 4y ago
A lot of the people who live in the desert (Howeitat tribe) are actually being imprisoned and/or executed to pave the way for this development.
- powerapple 4y ago
  Sadly this is the real world. I have seen many migrate workers, the fact is that their lives back home is no better, that's why they have traveled to work in alien countries. There are people driving cars for 20 years without seeing his family. Things could be better, unfortunately it is typically not the reality. We still have to look forward.
Grimburger 4y ago
Same, I have no love for the Saudis but will cheer on anyone trying bold new projects, watching the usual tired old negativity from experts who clamour out of the woodwork to say something will never work only makes me want it to succeed more. I remember when everyone on earth knew for sure how SpaceX would fail. Terrorist affiliated tribesmen who the Jordanian government ban tourists from visiting out of safety fears are a strange bedfellow for western world moralisers desperate to make other people hate this thing.
- olabyne 4y ago
  Do you remember when everyone was saying how Hyperloop would fail, when you looked throught the numers ? Well, it is dead now. Skepticism is good. SpaceX had already working prototypes from early phases. Come on, being able to tell the difference the difference between an investor scam anda true innovation is not that hard, just look at the few numbers, you get quickly on how realistic the projet is. This city is not.
  - Grimburger 4y ago
    > Skepticism is good. So is optimism. I see a whole bunch of flaws with what they are attempting here. What matters to me is that someone is at least trying. Being a sceptic is the easiest job in the world, it costs you nothing to bet on how others will fail, when you win you parade about pretending you are incredibly knowledgable and when you are wrong you just morph in the background acting as though you said nothing at all. Where are the SpaceX sceptics today? What is their new focus on? Building something new that shifts paradigms is incredibly hard. Given the money, how would you build a brand new city to attract people given the history of modern (< 30 yr) planned cities? Notice how virtually none of these people saying how it will fail ever create their own designs for others to judge? Given the same resources, what would you do?
    - qwytw 4y ago
      > What matters to me is that someone is at least trying. Delusional autocrats wasting loads of resources and probably human lives (just like at Qatar and the World Cup, this should be much worse) to build a an exceptionally unpractical city in the middle of the desert that nobody wants or needs. But yeah it's worth is since someone is "at least trying" . > Given the same resources, what would you do A great example of where to put loads of money you don't need is Norway. Despite having much less oil than the Saudis a country of just 4 million people now owns the largest investment fund in the world, which is worth more than Google and ~2x more than Tesla. > Given the money, how would you build a brand new city to attract people given the history of modern (< 30 yr) planned cities? Well first of all make it a circle instead of line. What the point of all than density if it's going to take you a shitload of time to get anywhere? > Where are the SpaceX sceptics today? What is their new focus on? For every success story there are 10+ (or even more failures). What's your point?
    - olabyne 4y ago
      Come on, don't you see the difference between a serious project backed up with preliminary study and a marketing video ? You don't get to try something when the physic is against you. So you approve the every now and then 'genious' that found some new free energy and claims everybody is against it ? You mentionned first the sceptics of SpaceX, so you must have better sources than me on that. I don't remember any reliable critcs of Space X at the time.
- piva00 4y ago
  You are putting aside any critical thinking to just be a contrarian? This is the kind of project where the experts criticising it seem to have very valid points, it doesn't make any sense when you look at it from the perspective of how humans organise into cities and the needs for such cities to be efficient. Bold doesn't mean good just because it goes against the grain... It can also be completely stupid, even more when there is no force to push against it (like the market is for SpaceX and such). It can just eat resources away due to the whims of one egoistical dictator...
  - Grimburger 4y ago
    > how humans organise into cities and the needs for such cities to be efficient. The same cities that many people despise living in yet do so for work? The same ones that basically everyone recognises aren't efficient at all. What is an ideal city in your opinion? San Fransciso? New York? Paris? They are horribly inefficient places to live. Here in Sydney I know people who live in suburbia and need 20 mins in a car to simply buy a loaf of bread, there's no shops anywhere close by, it's just endless constant sprawl and 10 hours of commuting a week, 480 hours a year, and this is considered one of the most liveable places on Earth bizarrely. I would love to hear what you think is a good proposal for a new city if this one is terrible? > eat resources away due to the whims of one egoistical dictator Not sure if you know much about the country, but prolific waste is basically their thing, as far as I'm concerned at least it's money not being spent on buying American bombs and military hardware. Every cent counts :)
    - piva00 4y ago
      > The same cities that many people despise living in yet do so for work? The same ones that basically everyone recognises aren't efficient at all. What is an ideal city in your opinion? San Fransciso? New York? Paris? Stockholm (my current city for almost a decade), Copenhagen, Berlin, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, etc. are quite efficient and very pleasant to live in. The issue people currently have in those is cost of living. I don't live in the US and I think American cities are horrors, just not as bad as in my native country (Brazil), which were completely "inspired" by American urban design. Don't pigeonhole cities just in the ones you feel are terrible, get out of the bubble, there are plenty of examples of very livable and nice cities. The Americas are not in that category, generally speaking.

Rebelgecko 4y ago

A lot of the people who live in the desert (Howeitat tribe) are actually being imprisoned and/or executed to pave the way for this development.

powerapple 4y ago
Sadly this is the real world. I have seen many migrate workers, the fact is that their lives back home is no better, that's why they have traveled to work in alien countries. There are people driving cars for 20 years without seeing his family. Things could be better, unfortunately it is typically not the reality. We still have to look forward.

Grimburger 4y ago

Same, I have no love for the Saudis but will cheer on anyone trying bold new projects, watching the usual tired old negativity from experts who clamour out of the woodwork to say something will never work only makes me want it to succeed more. I remember when everyone on earth knew for sure how SpaceX would fail. Terrorist affiliated tribesmen who the Jordanian government ban tourists from visiting out of safety fears are a strange bedfellow for western world moralisers desperate to make other people hate this thing.

olabyne 4y ago
Do you remember when everyone was saying how Hyperloop would fail, when you looked throught the numers ? Well, it is dead now. Skepticism is good. SpaceX had already working prototypes from early phases. Come on, being able to tell the difference the difference between an investor scam anda true innovation is not that hard, just look at the few numbers, you get quickly on how realistic the projet is. This city is not.
- Grimburger 4y ago
  > Skepticism is good. So is optimism. I see a whole bunch of flaws with what they are attempting here. What matters to me is that someone is at least trying. Being a sceptic is the easiest job in the world, it costs you nothing to bet on how others will fail, when you win you parade about pretending you are incredibly knowledgable and when you are wrong you just morph in the background acting as though you said nothing at all. Where are the SpaceX sceptics today? What is their new focus on? Building something new that shifts paradigms is incredibly hard. Given the money, how would you build a brand new city to attract people given the history of modern (< 30 yr) planned cities? Notice how virtually none of these people saying how it will fail ever create their own designs for others to judge? Given the same resources, what would you do?
  - qwytw 4y ago
    > What matters to me is that someone is at least trying. Delusional autocrats wasting loads of resources and probably human lives (just like at Qatar and the World Cup, this should be much worse) to build a an exceptionally unpractical city in the middle of the desert that nobody wants or needs. But yeah it's worth is since someone is "at least trying" . > Given the same resources, what would you do A great example of where to put loads of money you don't need is Norway. Despite having much less oil than the Saudis a country of just 4 million people now owns the largest investment fund in the world, which is worth more than Google and ~2x more than Tesla. > Given the money, how would you build a brand new city to attract people given the history of modern (< 30 yr) planned cities? Well first of all make it a circle instead of line. What the point of all than density if it's going to take you a shitload of time to get anywhere? > Where are the SpaceX sceptics today? What is their new focus on? For every success story there are 10+ (or even more failures). What's your point?
  - olabyne 4y ago
    Come on, don't you see the difference between a serious project backed up with preliminary study and a marketing video ? You don't get to try something when the physic is against you. So you approve the every now and then 'genious' that found some new free energy and claims everybody is against it ? You mentionned first the sceptics of SpaceX, so you must have better sources than me on that. I don't remember any reliable critcs of Space X at the time.
piva00 4y ago
You are putting aside any critical thinking to just be a contrarian? This is the kind of project where the experts criticising it seem to have very valid points, it doesn't make any sense when you look at it from the perspective of how humans organise into cities and the needs for such cities to be efficient. Bold doesn't mean good just because it goes against the grain... It can also be completely stupid, even more when there is no force to push against it (like the market is for SpaceX and such). It can just eat resources away due to the whims of one egoistical dictator...
- Grimburger 4y ago
  > how humans organise into cities and the needs for such cities to be efficient. The same cities that many people despise living in yet do so for work? The same ones that basically everyone recognises aren't efficient at all. What is an ideal city in your opinion? San Fransciso? New York? Paris? They are horribly inefficient places to live. Here in Sydney I know people who live in suburbia and need 20 mins in a car to simply buy a loaf of bread, there's no shops anywhere close by, it's just endless constant sprawl and 10 hours of commuting a week, 480 hours a year, and this is considered one of the most liveable places on Earth bizarrely. I would love to hear what you think is a good proposal for a new city if this one is terrible? > eat resources away due to the whims of one egoistical dictator Not sure if you know much about the country, but prolific waste is basically their thing, as far as I'm concerned at least it's money not being spent on buying American bombs and military hardware. Every cent counts :)
  - piva00 4y ago
    > The same cities that many people despise living in yet do so for work? The same ones that basically everyone recognises aren't efficient at all. What is an ideal city in your opinion? San Fransciso? New York? Paris? Stockholm (my current city for almost a decade), Copenhagen, Berlin, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, etc. are quite efficient and very pleasant to live in. The issue people currently have in those is cost of living. I don't live in the US and I think American cities are horrors, just not as bad as in my native country (Brazil), which were completely "inspired" by American urban design. Don't pigeonhole cities just in the ones you feel are terrible, get out of the bubble, there are plenty of examples of very livable and nice cities. The Americas are not in that category, generally speaking.