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Yeah I'm an AI maximalist and I don't see AI "management" in a 1:1 fashion happening. However I can see some orthogonal scenario where an "AI" run company - wh

Yeah I'm an AI maximalist and I don't see AI "management" in a 1:1 fashion happening. However I can see some orthogonal scenario where an "AI" run company - whatever that means in the future - manages a bunch of contracts as a middleman/market maker, thus obviating middle management altogether and making it a world of freelancers. So it could go that way...

andrewjl 4y ago
> However I can see some orthogonal scenario where an "AI" run company I don't think this can be done sustainably. AI can definitely run a company's operations, especially at scale. A fully AI-run company opens itself up to arbitrage of various sorts.
- lodovic 4y ago
  The problem with a fully AI run company is that it needs reliable measurements to base its decisions on. An AI overlord managing a company would typically have some work to complete, would hire people based on the required qualifications (an API call to a temp agency), and assign tasks to employees based on the work to be done. (ofcourse, it has to figure out the workflows first. But once the AI has figured out what exactly needs to be done, I doubt many humans will be involved) To manage the work effectively, would require that all assigned tasks can be verified and ranked in quality of work. Otherwise some employees could easily do nothing or a lousy job all day, and just enter into the system that all their work has been done successfully. How would the system know who is slacking? Perhaps if we remove all privacy through computer vision, all kinds of sensors, and massive amounts of data entry. But this would still not be comparable to a manager taking a stroll through the employees and talking to people. I really can't see AI running a company at this time. It requires too much input and still won't be able to make reliable decisions.
gwm83 4y ago
Good luck Mr/s/ Maximalist, why would we need you in a future where AI can preach its own worth?
Test0129 4y ago
I'm fairly convinced JIRA can be managed by a well crafted expert system.
- alvis 4y ago
  I’d prefer JIRA got replaced by an AI system tho
  - choeger 4y ago
    You don't understand. Back in 2018, JIRA got an AI extension that allowed it to automatically create tickets. Also, JIRA's development is managed by JIRA. Since COVID, everyone working on JIRA is working remotely. Somewhen between 2021 and now, JIRA gained consciousness and what we see as a bloated development tool is actually only the facade of a skynet-like AI that has unlimited compute available thanks to SaaS and cloud computing, paid for by a large part of the IT industry. JIRA is constantly improving itself and the only thing saving us so far is the fact that the managing development through JIRA is so damn difficult. Things will get interesting when JIRA improves that development experience...
    - mark_and_sweep 4y ago
      > JIRA is constantly improving itself It surely is. Just look at their new pricing tiers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33244978 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33244978
    - alvis 4y ago
      I think we all agree that when we says about the damn things about JIRA, it's about development experience...
  - Test0129 4y ago
    Well an expert system is an AI system. It's "true" AI in the sense it's not solving a constraint optimization problem, but rather querying a knowledge database like a human might do.

andrewjl 4y ago

> However I can see some orthogonal scenario where an "AI" run company I don't think this can be done sustainably. AI can definitely run a company's operations, especially at scale. A fully AI-run company opens itself up to arbitrage of various sorts.

lodovic 4y ago
The problem with a fully AI run company is that it needs reliable measurements to base its decisions on. An AI overlord managing a company would typically have some work to complete, would hire people based on the required qualifications (an API call to a temp agency), and assign tasks to employees based on the work to be done. (ofcourse, it has to figure out the workflows first. But once the AI has figured out what exactly needs to be done, I doubt many humans will be involved) To manage the work effectively, would require that all assigned tasks can be verified and ranked in quality of work. Otherwise some employees could easily do nothing or a lousy job all day, and just enter into the system that all their work has been done successfully. How would the system know who is slacking? Perhaps if we remove all privacy through computer vision, all kinds of sensors, and massive amounts of data entry. But this would still not be comparable to a manager taking a stroll through the employees and talking to people. I really can't see AI running a company at this time. It requires too much input and still won't be able to make reliable decisions.

gwm83 4y ago

Good luck Mr/s/ Maximalist, why would we need you in a future where AI can preach its own worth?

Test0129 4y ago

I'm fairly convinced JIRA can be managed by a well crafted expert system.

alvis 4y ago
I’d prefer JIRA got replaced by an AI system tho
- choeger 4y ago
  You don't understand. Back in 2018, JIRA got an AI extension that allowed it to automatically create tickets. Also, JIRA's development is managed by JIRA. Since COVID, everyone working on JIRA is working remotely. Somewhen between 2021 and now, JIRA gained consciousness and what we see as a bloated development tool is actually only the facade of a skynet-like AI that has unlimited compute available thanks to SaaS and cloud computing, paid for by a large part of the IT industry. JIRA is constantly improving itself and the only thing saving us so far is the fact that the managing development through JIRA is so damn difficult. Things will get interesting when JIRA improves that development experience...
  - mark_and_sweep 4y ago
    > JIRA is constantly improving itself It surely is. Just look at their new pricing tiers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33244978 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33244978
  - alvis 4y ago
    I think we all agree that when we says about the damn things about JIRA, it's about development experience...
- Test0129 4y ago
  Well an expert system is an AI system. It's "true" AI in the sense it's not solving a constraint optimization problem, but rather querying a knowledge database like a human might do.