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I guess I take issue with most climate protests that are meant to “generate awareness” at this point. I think people are largely saturated. People are about as

by gaze 4y ago

I guess I take issue with most climate protests that are meant to “generate awareness” at this point. I think people are largely saturated. People are about as aware as they’re willing to be. The question is “what do you do?” There’s not really a good answer, and without a good answer and with a lot of anger, it will come out somehow. If you have enormously over-pressurized pipes that spring a leak somehow, the leak isn’t really the salient thing. I don’t really blame the protestors. I don’t know that it’s effective, but I don’t know how you protest effectively these days so I appreciate that they’re trying. That said, the only reason anyone cares is because the story “stupid kids throw soup on painting how stupid” generates all kinds of feelings, but this will all blow over in a month or two and we’ll be back where we started. It’s crushing.

raydiatian 4y ago
I do largely agree with this, and I don’t think I did an effective job in the GP post communicating that my desire to see some art actually irreparably damaged is mostly catharsis. I don’t genuinely believe that we’ve had a forcing function experience yet as a species that would push us to take true action. Like billions discarding their vehicles action, despite the personal cost. News outlets do too effective a job of virtualizing and down playing disaster. For instance, I had to join the r/Ukraine subreddit to get around the US version of the reporting that did just enough to give you the details but not enough to where the news outlets had to pick up the thought of whether this will scare viewers away from coming back. The real viscera of war is why we have veterans with PTSD, it’s horrifying enough on your smartphone screen for 8 months. That same “real viscera of climate change” is hard to come by. How many people have actually been to an actual forest fire? Even fewer, how many have been to the collapsing ice sheets? How many took physics and environmental science seriously enough to have faith in the impending apocalyptic predictions of “an inconvenient truth”? And that’s precisely my point. We aren’t “in it” (the real horrors of climate change) as a society yet. I think HN is a selective population that isn’t indicative of the rest. The problem is that I think when it come and scares us to our senses naturally it will be too late. So is throwing soup cans at paintings childish? Ineffective? Yes. But I think it’s indicative of a generation that wants to stimulate action and they’re desperate to find any route.

by gaze 4y ago

raydiatian 4y ago

I do largely agree with this, and I don’t think I did an effective job in the GP post communicating that my desire to see some art actually irreparably damaged is mostly catharsis. I don’t genuinely believe that we’ve had a forcing function experience yet as a species that would push us to take true action. Like billions discarding their vehicles action, despite the personal cost. News outlets do too effective a job of virtualizing and down playing disaster. For instance, I had to join the r/Ukraine subreddit to get around the US version of the reporting that did just enough to give you the details but not enough to where the news outlets had to pick up the thought of whether this will scare viewers away from coming back. The real viscera of war is why we have veterans with PTSD, it’s horrifying enough on your smartphone screen for 8 months. That same “real viscera of climate change” is hard to come by. How many people have actually been to an actual forest fire? Even fewer, how many have been to the collapsing ice sheets? How many took physics and environmental science seriously enough to have faith in the impending apocalyptic predictions of “an inconvenient truth”? And that’s precisely my point. We aren’t “in it” (the real horrors of climate change) as a society yet. I think HN is a selective population that isn’t indicative of the rest. The problem is that I think when it come and scares us to our senses naturally it will be too late. So is throwing soup cans at paintings childish? Ineffective? Yes. But I think it’s indicative of a generation that wants to stimulate action and they’re desperate to find any route.