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I acknowledge that my answer wasn’t constructive. BUT. It sucks even more when a forum becomes a place where voluntarily misleading articles make it to the 1st

I acknowledge that my answer wasn’t constructive. BUT. It sucks even more when a forum becomes a place where voluntarily misleading articles make it to the 1st place. I’m loosing interest in HN, because it’s easy to be mislead and no actions are taken against the spread of misinformation. You don’t moderate the content, just the tone of the comments. It means I could spread disinformation here as long as I fake an intellectual take and a neutral tone. I beg you, don’t be a portal for dishonest articles and accounts pretending to be impartial but are just always aligned with the Kremlin interests. It’s not paranoia, we have to acknowledge it exists, and great efforts are being made to push it down our throats, more than ever, while little efforts are being made to fight it. Let us at least answer and make it clear we’re not that easily fooled, and that we’re not obligated to take the bait of a false debate with bad faith arguments and flat out lies.

dang 4y ago
People disagree vigorously and completely about what counts as true or false. That's how divisive topics work. The more strongly people disagree, the more easily they convince themselves that the others are arguing in bad faith. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't (in my experience, internet users vastly overestimate it), but either way the only thing that can possibly work in the long run is to counter bad information with good information, bad arguments with good arguments, false claims with true claims. Users are responsible for doing that. Moderators are responsible for making sure they do it within the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Breaking the site guidelines doesn't help counter falsehood—in fact it just discredits the commenter who's doing it, which means discrediting the truth in the case they happen to be right (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=truth%20discredit%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). So there's no conflict here. If your concern is helping the truth, it's in your interest to follow the rules.

dang 4y ago

People disagree vigorously and completely about what counts as true or false. That's how divisive topics work. The more strongly people disagree, the more easily they convince themselves that the others are arguing in bad faith. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't (in my experience, internet users vastly overestimate it), but either way the only thing that can possibly work in the long run is to counter bad information with good information, bad arguments with good arguments, false claims with true claims. Users are responsible for doing that. Moderators are responsible for making sure they do it within the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Breaking the site guidelines doesn't help counter falsehood—in fact it just discredits the commenter who's doing it, which means discrediting the truth in the case they happen to be right (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=truth%20discredit%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). So there's no conflict here. If your concern is helping the truth, it's in your interest to follow the rules.