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So, the solution to "the solution" is to allow the government to control more of the market? Who will enforce this? What will the penalties be? Or, do we j

So, the solution to "the solution" is to allow the government to control more of the market? Who will enforce this? What will the penalties be? Or, do we just raise power prices for everyone and then give them a break if they allow a third party device to restrict their power usage? Seems like a great way to subsidize "the solution" on the backs of people who can't afford a new EV of their own. Also.. when are there times of "excess power?" The grid operator tracks demand and then orders power from stations, or it doesn't. There is "excess capacity" but that's set against not running the plant at all, so I'm not sure there's some "free lunch" to be had here.

megaman821 4y ago
The grid does and will increasingly curtail renewables. If they had a demand queue of customer cars to send that power to, they do that instead of curtailing it. This is not a penalty situation, it is an enticement. Smart charge rates of 4 cents instead of 20 cents a kw/h. People will voluntarily do this to save themselves money.
- akira2501 4y ago
  > The grid does and will increasingly curtail renewables. If they had a demand queue of customer cars to send that power to, they do that instead of curtailing it. And you're going to have those renewables available at night, when this charging is expected to take place and be straining the grid? > This is not a penalty situation, it is an enticement. Smart charge rates of 4 cents instead of 20 cents a kw/h. People will voluntarily do this to save themselves money. So where does that 16c/kWh come from? Subsidies? From taxes? So again, everyone has to pay to benefit a small group of consumers who can afford the product in the first place?
  - megaman821 4y ago
    Wind power is available at night. I think you are misunderstanding curtailments. It's when renewables are producing more power than what is needed and they are shut off or throttled. For the power producers getting 4 cents is better than getting 0 cents. Everyone involved in the transaction is better off. Customers get cheap power to charge their cars, and power producers get to sell energy that they otherwise couldn't. No one is subsidizing anything, the system is just more efficient.
dzhiurgis 4y ago
> the government Buying EV before getting rooftop solar (and potentially batteries) is incredibly dumb. FWIW gov shouldn't even allow this.

megaman821 4y ago

The grid does and will increasingly curtail renewables. If they had a demand queue of customer cars to send that power to, they do that instead of curtailing it. This is not a penalty situation, it is an enticement. Smart charge rates of 4 cents instead of 20 cents a kw/h. People will voluntarily do this to save themselves money.

akira2501 4y ago
> The grid does and will increasingly curtail renewables. If they had a demand queue of customer cars to send that power to, they do that instead of curtailing it. And you're going to have those renewables available at night, when this charging is expected to take place and be straining the grid? > This is not a penalty situation, it is an enticement. Smart charge rates of 4 cents instead of 20 cents a kw/h. People will voluntarily do this to save themselves money. So where does that 16c/kWh come from? Subsidies? From taxes? So again, everyone has to pay to benefit a small group of consumers who can afford the product in the first place?
- megaman821 4y ago
  Wind power is available at night. I think you are misunderstanding curtailments. It's when renewables are producing more power than what is needed and they are shut off or throttled. For the power producers getting 4 cents is better than getting 0 cents. Everyone involved in the transaction is better off. Customers get cheap power to charge their cars, and power producers get to sell energy that they otherwise couldn't. No one is subsidizing anything, the system is just more efficient.

dzhiurgis 4y ago

> the government Buying EV before getting rooftop solar (and potentially batteries) is incredibly dumb. FWIW gov shouldn't even allow this.