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And, the attachment of many EVs to the Grid after enabling their innate V2G (Vehicle to Grid) ability will revolutionize them: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-

And, the attachment of many EVs to the Grid after enabling their innate V2G (Vehicle to Grid) ability will revolutionize them: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-unlocks-vehicle-to-grid-abilities-bi-directional-charging-explained/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-unlocks-vehicle-to-grid-abil...

coding123 4y ago
Did anyone imagine that by 2030 California would have most of its power storage in cars? So all the people on here that want to get rid of cars should chuck their air conditioners and heaters right now.
gjsman-1000 4y ago
I don't know about that. Consider after a natural disaster, like Florida right now, or Texas last year. If every vehicle is low on energy (say, by trying to flee), and they are all trying at once to charge, that may overwhelm the grid. V2G only works assuming mass numbers of people aren't driving all at once, or trying to recharge their vehicles all at once. The fail condition needs to be: What happens if 80% of EV owners are trying to charge their EVs to 80%, all at once?
- mcguire 4y ago
  V2G (among many other things) is an optimization. Past the point where you stop actually wasting inputs, optimization is the enemy of resiliency. It trades lower costs for an inability to handle extreme fluctuations.
- pjkundert 4y ago
  If a civilization has already decided that adequate base-load supply is optional (which we apparently have…) — then at least making that inadequate Grid more resilient by adding more battery-to-grid capacity is an improvement. I personally this that’s stupid, but old slobs like me have been out-voted by young bucks who evidently don’t mind freezing in the dark.
  - nathanaldensr 4y ago
    > civilization You mean authoritarian technocrats.
kieranmaine 4y ago
V2G is where customers can really unlock the value of their vehicle. A trial in the UK allowed some customers to earn £725/year (https://www.kaluza.com/case-studies/case-study-kaluza-enabled-vehicle-to-grid-v2g-charging/ https://www.kaluza.com/case-studies/case-study-kaluza-enable...) through selling energy back to the grid - whilst this was the maximum amount V2G ultimately provided greater savings for all the customers involved.

coding123 4y ago

Did anyone imagine that by 2030 California would have most of its power storage in cars? So all the people on here that want to get rid of cars should chuck their air conditioners and heaters right now.

gjsman-1000 4y ago

I don't know about that. Consider after a natural disaster, like Florida right now, or Texas last year. If every vehicle is low on energy (say, by trying to flee), and they are all trying at once to charge, that may overwhelm the grid. V2G only works assuming mass numbers of people aren't driving all at once, or trying to recharge their vehicles all at once. The fail condition needs to be: What happens if 80% of EV owners are trying to charge their EVs to 80%, all at once?

mcguire 4y ago
V2G (among many other things) is an optimization. Past the point where you stop actually wasting inputs, optimization is the enemy of resiliency. It trades lower costs for an inability to handle extreme fluctuations.
pjkundert 4y ago
If a civilization has already decided that adequate base-load supply is optional (which we apparently have…) — then at least making that inadequate Grid more resilient by adding more battery-to-grid capacity is an improvement. I personally this that’s stupid, but old slobs like me have been out-voted by young bucks who evidently don’t mind freezing in the dark.
- nathanaldensr 4y ago
  > civilization You mean authoritarian technocrats.

kieranmaine 4y ago

V2G is where customers can really unlock the value of their vehicle. A trial in the UK allowed some customers to earn £725/year (https://www.kaluza.com/case-studies/case-study-kaluza-enabled-vehicle-to-grid-v2g-charging/ https://www.kaluza.com/case-studies/case-study-kaluza-enable...) through selling energy back to the grid - whilst this was the maximum amount V2G ultimately provided greater savings for all the customers involved.