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I would agree that it is manageable to make shopping work without a car, but I'd rather not spend more time going to and from the store, and I'd rather drive a

I would agree that it is manageable to make shopping work without a car, but I'd rather not spend more time going to and from the store, and I'd rather drive a little further to cheaper stores for bulk goods. Also, I don't think the mega shopping is what justifies owning a car, it's more a product that I already have a car because I need to go to work. The car is a sunk cost in most of America.

mikepurvis 4y ago
I feel like both justify the other in some ways: I need a car to do big shopping trips <-> I need to do big shopping trips because I have a car Or, as you say, having a car is just a given most places in America, so there’s not really a question of it being any other way.
munk-a 4y ago
As someone who has lived car free I both agree and disagree with your point. What we tend to do for shopping is occasionally cab/instacart big heavy bulk stuff (like dried beans, canned goods, spices, the 3lbs cut of beef) from Costco/equivalent and then do random small shops through the week to pickup vegetables, fruit and other perishables - it works out quite well and it's nice to be able to plan recipes pretty flexibly.
- frumper 4y ago
  Again, it's totally manageable to come up with ways to shop without a car. I already have a car though, so it would take more time and effort for me to not use it at this point.
  - munk-a 4y ago
    Sort of? Walking to the store, and generally being outside, is healthy and if you're going to the gym already then the occasional walk is an easier way to get some exercise for free.
    - frumper 4y ago
      Sort of? It’s absolutely more time and effort if I include “exercise time” in my now every few days grocery runs. So rather than take 5 minutes each way in a car once a week traveling to the store you’d like me to walk to the closer expensive store several days a week and say it’s only sort of quicker and easier? You have to construct reasons to make it better and even then a walk to the store isn’t the same as a gym workout. I’m much happier walking to the park several times a week with my family than walking to the store with them.

mikepurvis 4y ago

I feel like both justify the other in some ways: I need a car to do big shopping trips <-> I need to do big shopping trips because I have a car Or, as you say, having a car is just a given most places in America, so there’s not really a question of it being any other way.

munk-a 4y ago

As someone who has lived car free I both agree and disagree with your point. What we tend to do for shopping is occasionally cab/instacart big heavy bulk stuff (like dried beans, canned goods, spices, the 3lbs cut of beef) from Costco/equivalent and then do random small shops through the week to pickup vegetables, fruit and other perishables - it works out quite well and it's nice to be able to plan recipes pretty flexibly.

frumper 4y ago
Again, it's totally manageable to come up with ways to shop without a car. I already have a car though, so it would take more time and effort for me to not use it at this point.
- munk-a 4y ago
  Sort of? Walking to the store, and generally being outside, is healthy and if you're going to the gym already then the occasional walk is an easier way to get some exercise for free.
  - frumper 4y ago
    Sort of? It’s absolutely more time and effort if I include “exercise time” in my now every few days grocery runs. So rather than take 5 minutes each way in a car once a week traveling to the store you’d like me to walk to the closer expensive store several days a week and say it’s only sort of quicker and easier? You have to construct reasons to make it better and even then a walk to the store isn’t the same as a gym workout. I’m much happier walking to the park several times a week with my family than walking to the store with them.