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> No one is arguing about the general case, but specifically about Brave as a browser. I'm telling you that the criticism against Brave's use of cryptocurrenci

> No one is arguing about the general case, but specifically about Brave as a browser. I'm telling you that the criticism against Brave's use of cryptocurrencies is informed by a well-warranted generalized belief that all crytocurrency schemes are scams. The only reason I don't slam my door on girlscouts is because it is immediately obvious to me that a little girl in a girlscout uniform is not a kirby salesman. I can see that difference plainly at a glance, without having to read or hear anything they say. To perceive the difference between Brave's scheme and a typical cryptocurrency scam takes a lot more effort and careful examination. It isn't fair to blame people for not putting in that effort, given the general odds in the cryptocurrency sphere.

rglullis 4y ago
> crytocurrency schemes There. is. no. scheme. What is so hard to understand about that? The crypto part from Brave is only if you want to receive a token. They could change tomorrow to make the payments in greenbacks, and they would still have the same business model. But do you think that the people bitching about the browser would use it, if they suddenly learned they could win $5-10 per month? They wouldn't. They would just find another reason to complain or fight it, and those who actually want to use crypto would leave because they lost their chance to speculate. I personally don't care about the success of BAT - though I still buy it regularly. My main interest is in finding an alternative economic model for Surveillance Capitalism. Show me any other company that is doing anything that can become a real threat to Google/MS/Facebook, and I will support it as well.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  > There. is. no. scheme. It's a scheme, a business plan. If my understanding of it is correct, it's not a scam but it's certainly a scheme. > Show me any other company that is doing anything that can become a real threat to Google/MS/Facebook, and I will support it as well. Wish I could, Mozilla certainly isn't such an example. Brave is unlikely to ever get their foot in the door because their business model smells like a scam. I don't think there are any viable technical solutions to the threat of Google/MS/Facebook, only political/legislative solutions. But if anybody proves me wrong I'll be thankful.
  - rglullis 4y ago
    > Brave is unlikely to ever get their foot in the door Brave is already at 60 million monthly active users, and growing. Firefox is 200M MAU, and declining. They are already way past the door.
Karrot_Kream 4y ago
> It isn't fair to blame people for not putting in that effort, given the general odds in the cryptocurrency sphere. The low-effort thing here would be to ignore this and walk away, to not leave a comment at all. Instead folks are writing out comments that Brave is a "cryptocurrency scam". It's hard for me to believe that it's too much effort to verify whether something is a scam but it's not too much effort to write a comment dismissing Brave. This whole thread is a trash fire. Most comments are saying the same things over and over again and only a handful are even comparing Firefox and Brave. Does this really need to happen on any remotely cryptocurrency related thread? It just turns people off from using the site.

rglullis 4y ago

> crytocurrency schemes There. is. no. scheme. What is so hard to understand about that? The crypto part from Brave is only if you want to receive a token. They could change tomorrow to make the payments in greenbacks, and they would still have the same business model. But do you think that the people bitching about the browser would use it, if they suddenly learned they could win $5-10 per month? They wouldn't. They would just find another reason to complain or fight it, and those who actually want to use crypto would leave because they lost their chance to speculate. I personally don't care about the success of BAT - though I still buy it regularly. My main interest is in finding an alternative economic model for Surveillance Capitalism. Show me any other company that is doing anything that can become a real threat to Google/MS/Facebook, and I will support it as well.

MichaelCollins 4y ago
> There. is. no. scheme. It's a scheme, a business plan. If my understanding of it is correct, it's not a scam but it's certainly a scheme. > Show me any other company that is doing anything that can become a real threat to Google/MS/Facebook, and I will support it as well. Wish I could, Mozilla certainly isn't such an example. Brave is unlikely to ever get their foot in the door because their business model smells like a scam. I don't think there are any viable technical solutions to the threat of Google/MS/Facebook, only political/legislative solutions. But if anybody proves me wrong I'll be thankful.
- rglullis 4y ago
  > Brave is unlikely to ever get their foot in the door Brave is already at 60 million monthly active users, and growing. Firefox is 200M MAU, and declining. They are already way past the door.

Karrot_Kream 4y ago

> It isn't fair to blame people for not putting in that effort, given the general odds in the cryptocurrency sphere. The low-effort thing here would be to ignore this and walk away, to not leave a comment at all. Instead folks are writing out comments that Brave is a "cryptocurrency scam". It's hard for me to believe that it's too much effort to verify whether something is a scam but it's not too much effort to write a comment dismissing Brave. This whole thread is a trash fire. Most comments are saying the same things over and over again and only a handful are even comparing Firefox and Brave. Does this really need to happen on any remotely cryptocurrency related thread? It just turns people off from using the site.