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<Sees Poor planning and foot dragging of a state in adopting a new tech, blames new tech> <Sees person buy a triangle and try to shove it in a square hole, thi

by mint2 4y ago

<Sees Poor planning and foot dragging of a state in adopting a new tech, blames new tech> <Sees person buy a triangle and try to shove it in a square hole, thinks triangles are inherently bad> <sees climate change, doesn’t care because part of solution requires some temporary minor inconveniences during transition. Hashtag not worth it> Using a car intended for short daily commutes for a road trip is going to be awkward in a state that has not really been trying to build ev infrastructure. If they don’t do many trips in laggard states, Renting a Tesla or even an ice would work on that rare occasion. If they do many trips then they bought the wrong car. Even with that non-road-trip car, it would have been okay on most long trips in California because the state is actually encouraging evs. Expecting a new tech to have the same infrastructure as the old from the get go or otherwise abandoning it would have left us with horses. Stables existed gas stations did not. Evs are so much quieter, Much more pleasant to drive. They produce less “horse manure and smells” so their adoption is inevitable. Although the worst manures ice cars make are unfortunately not plainly visible, the visible ones are enough to drive people away from them.

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
This is just painting a lipstick on a pig. BEVs are expensive cars with expensive fuel (no most people won't be able to charge at home) and miniscule range. However they will be forced down the throats of consumers regardless of their inferiority. It is like going from cars back to horses and pretending that it is better.
- mint2 4y ago
  Okay so computers revolutionized society. cars did too. So did air travel. All started as expensive niche items most people could not afford. Look at them now. They became cheap and widespread. They all had naysayers and doubters in their time. With the logic in those comments, all of those should have been abandoned. No computers, no cars, no airplanes. All too expensive initially! No one is going to force you to like EVs. If they aren’t your thing it’s okay. But the writing is on the wall, they are definitely horses, and on the way out. They’re loud and stink especially when cold. They require annoying expensive trips to fuel up and require more maintenance. (Side note, of the handful of times my credit card has been stolen, it’s usually been a gas station skimmer.) Unless on a road trip, Evs don’t required one to go to fueling stations. And you’re right some people don’t have charging at home, but most people rightly see that as only a matter of time.
  - TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
    > No one is going to force you to like EVs. If they aren’t your thing it’s okay. There is no reason to lie, see ICE bans around 2030-2035. BEVs with current price and current user experience are dead end technology going nowhere kept alive thanks to subsidies. Like a Windows Phone in the world dominated by Android and iOS. Like a 3DTV which nobody asked for.
    - mint2 4y ago
      So people are forced to like paying taxes?! I guess these days words mean whatever is the best straw man rather than their dictionary denotation or typical connotation. Anyway So the nefarious scheme is found out, cat is out of the bag: Anyone who dislikes EVs will be forced to take bags of antidepressants until they are at at least ambivalent to EVs, just as is done with taxes. /s Your comment points keep returning to cost and user experience completely ignoring any counter points brought up. What is the goal of those comments since they’re just repeating the same argument while ignoring any counterpoints people bring up? Go up the comments, as said before it’s a typical new tech trajectory to start out expensive and rapidly decrease in cost. Same with user experience. Not acknowledging, let alone accounting for that, is baffling in an assessment of how logical future plans are. As before, no one forces anyone to like change but change is happening, and for the better. I personally find EVs to be a far more pleasant experience than ICE cars. many people agree based on the demand for them. one can pretend everyone dislikes them, it’s totally not true but oh well.

by mint2 4y ago

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago

This is just painting a lipstick on a pig. BEVs are expensive cars with expensive fuel (no most people won't be able to charge at home) and miniscule range. However they will be forced down the throats of consumers regardless of their inferiority. It is like going from cars back to horses and pretending that it is better.

mint2 4y ago
Okay so computers revolutionized society. cars did too. So did air travel. All started as expensive niche items most people could not afford. Look at them now. They became cheap and widespread. They all had naysayers and doubters in their time. With the logic in those comments, all of those should have been abandoned. No computers, no cars, no airplanes. All too expensive initially! No one is going to force you to like EVs. If they aren’t your thing it’s okay. But the writing is on the wall, they are definitely horses, and on the way out. They’re loud and stink especially when cold. They require annoying expensive trips to fuel up and require more maintenance. (Side note, of the handful of times my credit card has been stolen, it’s usually been a gas station skimmer.) Unless on a road trip, Evs don’t required one to go to fueling stations. And you’re right some people don’t have charging at home, but most people rightly see that as only a matter of time.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  > No one is going to force you to like EVs. If they aren’t your thing it’s okay. There is no reason to lie, see ICE bans around 2030-2035. BEVs with current price and current user experience are dead end technology going nowhere kept alive thanks to subsidies. Like a Windows Phone in the world dominated by Android and iOS. Like a 3DTV which nobody asked for.
  - mint2 4y ago
    So people are forced to like paying taxes?! I guess these days words mean whatever is the best straw man rather than their dictionary denotation or typical connotation. Anyway So the nefarious scheme is found out, cat is out of the bag: Anyone who dislikes EVs will be forced to take bags of antidepressants until they are at at least ambivalent to EVs, just as is done with taxes. /s Your comment points keep returning to cost and user experience completely ignoring any counter points brought up. What is the goal of those comments since they’re just repeating the same argument while ignoring any counterpoints people bring up? Go up the comments, as said before it’s a typical new tech trajectory to start out expensive and rapidly decrease in cost. Same with user experience. Not acknowledging, let alone accounting for that, is baffling in an assessment of how logical future plans are. As before, no one forces anyone to like change but change is happening, and for the better. I personally find EVs to be a far more pleasant experience than ICE cars. many people agree based on the demand for them. one can pretend everyone dislikes them, it’s totally not true but oh well.