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> Tangentially, there is a Tesla Supercharger station halfway between Cheyenne and Casper in Wheatland, WY [4], strangely not mentioned Are Supercharger statio

> Tangentially, there is a Tesla Supercharger station halfway between Cheyenne and Casper in Wheatland, WY [4], strangely not mentioned Are Supercharger stations able to charge non-Tesla vehicles? If not, then it hardly seems "strange" to not mention an option that's entirely useless to someone driving a non-Tesla vehicle (in the article's case, that vehicle being a Nissan Leaf).

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Tesla vehicles, for better or worse, are the majority of EVs in the US currently. Sure, if you want to complain a specific brand of vehicle with limited charging options and a lower range versus competitors can’t make it between towns quickly, that is a story. Is it an honest story? It isn’t. The majority of EVs in the US have access to Tesla’s fast DC charging network. This is cherry picking to shape a narrative to a rural audience. > But despite the attractive price point, the Leaf never really achieved full liftoff. First released in 2010, Nissan has only sold around 170,000 Leaf EVs in the US over the last decade. Compare that to the total number of Tesla vehicles sold in the US in just 2022 — 564,743 — and you can start to see the headwinds facing Nissan. (The automaker said in 2020 that 500,000 Leafs have been sold globally since the launch in 2010.) It it’s true that if you buy an EV from a legacy automaker, your charging story is going to be depressing currently. That would’ve been a fine story to run with full context provided, instead of generalizing all EVs as having a poor experience. A little more honesty is all I’m asking for. https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23219044/nissan-leaf-phase-out-discontinue-ev-pioneer https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23219044/nissan-leaf-phas... https://www.statista.com/statistics/801337/chevy-bolt-ev-sales-in-the-united-states/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/801337/chevy-bolt-ev-sal... https://www.electrive.com/2021/06/28/bmw-i3-to-end-sales-run-in-the-usa-in-july/ https://www.electrive.com/2021/06/28/bmw-i3-to-end-sales-run...
- yellowapple 4y ago
  > Tesla vehicles, for better or worse, are the majority of EVs in the US currently. That doesn't mean they always will be. Not everyone can afford a Tesla; if your response to "not everyone drives a Tesla" boils down to "lol just buy a Tesla", then your response is the precise opposite of useful to the vast majority of current drivers in the US.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    > "lol just buy a Tesla” Of course not! I expect legacy automakers to commit financial resources towards charging networks if they want to encourage their development. Less share buybacks, more investment to move the EVs they supposedly want to sell. Tesla is used as an example because they don’t fuck around. No network existed, so they built the supercharger standard and then went and built the charging network. Legacy automakers just flail about half heartedly. Innovator’s Dilemma and all that jazz. The lower half economically speaking will be waiting for some time for an affordable EV unfortunately, until the manufacturing flywheels pickup steam, pushing down costs. The evidence clearly shows folks will stretch to buy more expensive EVs (like Teslas) versus buying Leafs and Bolts.
    - yellowapple 4y ago
      > I expect legacy automakers to commit financial resources towards charging networks Sure, whereas I additionally expect those financial resources being put toward networks from which all EV owners benefit rather than ones which rather transparently act as monopolistic vendor lock-in. It's entirely asinine on Tesla's part to push a proprietary network that only Teslas can use, and it's entirely asinine on the part of EV advocates to respond to "there are no generic charging stations on this route" with "but Tesla put one of its proprietary ones on it so why are you complaining?".
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toomuchtodo 4y ago

Tesla vehicles, for better or worse, are the majority of EVs in the US currently. Sure, if you want to complain a specific brand of vehicle with limited charging options and a lower range versus competitors can’t make it between towns quickly, that is a story. Is it an honest story? It isn’t. The majority of EVs in the US have access to Tesla’s fast DC charging network. This is cherry picking to shape a narrative to a rural audience. > But despite the attractive price point, the Leaf never really achieved full liftoff. First released in 2010, Nissan has only sold around 170,000 Leaf EVs in the US over the last decade. Compare that to the total number of Tesla vehicles sold in the US in just 2022 — 564,743 — and you can start to see the headwinds facing Nissan. (The automaker said in 2020 that 500,000 Leafs have been sold globally since the launch in 2010.) It it’s true that if you buy an EV from a legacy automaker, your charging story is going to be depressing currently. That would’ve been a fine story to run with full context provided, instead of generalizing all EVs as having a poor experience. A little more honesty is all I’m asking for. https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23219044/nissan-leaf-phase-out-discontinue-ev-pioneer https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23219044/nissan-leaf-phas... https://www.statista.com/statistics/801337/chevy-bolt-ev-sales-in-the-united-states/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/801337/chevy-bolt-ev-sal... https://www.electrive.com/2021/06/28/bmw-i3-to-end-sales-run-in-the-usa-in-july/ https://www.electrive.com/2021/06/28/bmw-i3-to-end-sales-run...

yellowapple 4y ago
> Tesla vehicles, for better or worse, are the majority of EVs in the US currently. That doesn't mean they always will be. Not everyone can afford a Tesla; if your response to "not everyone drives a Tesla" boils down to "lol just buy a Tesla", then your response is the precise opposite of useful to the vast majority of current drivers in the US.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  > "lol just buy a Tesla” Of course not! I expect legacy automakers to commit financial resources towards charging networks if they want to encourage their development. Less share buybacks, more investment to move the EVs they supposedly want to sell. Tesla is used as an example because they don’t fuck around. No network existed, so they built the supercharger standard and then went and built the charging network. Legacy automakers just flail about half heartedly. Innovator’s Dilemma and all that jazz. The lower half economically speaking will be waiting for some time for an affordable EV unfortunately, until the manufacturing flywheels pickup steam, pushing down costs. The evidence clearly shows folks will stretch to buy more expensive EVs (like Teslas) versus buying Leafs and Bolts.
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    > I expect legacy automakers to commit financial resources towards charging networks Sure, whereas I additionally expect those financial resources being put toward networks from which all EV owners benefit rather than ones which rather transparently act as monopolistic vendor lock-in. It's entirely asinine on Tesla's part to push a proprietary network that only Teslas can use, and it's entirely asinine on the part of EV advocates to respond to "there are no generic charging stations on this route" with "but Tesla put one of its proprietary ones on it so why are you complaining?".
    - deleted 4y ago
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