> We had two kids largely because my wife was resigned to her career already being destroyed, so why not? <cough> there are also some men out here with (how ca

> We had two kids largely because my wife was resigned to her career already being destroyed, so why not? <cough> there are also some men out here with (how can I put this nicely?) less-than-stellar-careers precisely because of this factor, too. [We live in a perhaps-somewhat-less-than-entirely-enlightened part of Europe] and our local "Mum and Baby" group finally got round to renaming itself to "Parent and Baby" group after I started attending the third time around... :)