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An implication is not to ban the sale of gasoline-powered cars by 2035, as California and other states have announced.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
If the US is so incompetent and unmotivated as to not be able to fix this in 13 years, we deserve to fail. This reads as a hit piece, not as a realistic telling of the EV story for vehicles with the largest US market share [1]. China has 65% of all fast DC charging stations in the world, and it did not take them 13 years to build them all [2]. Tesla spent $1B to build its own global fast DC charging network [3]. This is not hard. It is work, and it does cost resources, but it is not hard. Tangentially, there is a Tesla Supercharger station halfway between Cheyenne and Casper in Wheatland, WY [4], strangely not mentioned. Rolling into that station on empty would require no more than a 20-40 minute charge to continue to Casper, assuming worst case charge curve of the smallest current production battery pack and a 150kw max charge rate of that station. "Ideally, before getting stranded in an EV, one could pull off to a public charging station. Unfortunately, there are no Level 3 charging stations between Cheyenne and Casper." (I have driven 100k miles cross country over the last 4 years in my Tesla) [1] https://electrek.co/2022/08/15/tesla-tsla-dominates-us-electric-car-market-share/ https://electrek.co/2022/08/15/tesla-tsla-dominates-us-elect... ("Tesla (TSLA) still dominates US electric car market with 68% market share") [2] https://www.thebuzzevnews.com/china-public-ev-charging-stations/ https://www.thebuzzevnews.com/china-public-ev-charging-stati... ("According to the latest data on Statista, China has a total of 1.15 million publicly available EV charging stations. Of China’s total figure, 677,000 stations are slow-charging ones, while 470,000 are fast-charging stations. Thus, 41% of stations in China have a fast-charging capability. If these numbers are correct (which, is always hard to say for sure when it comes to China), China has a disproportionately high number of stations compared to the rest of the world and a comparatively high share of fast-charging stations. The United States finds itself in the second spot worldwide. According to the data, the U.S. has only 113,527 charging stations, of which only 21,752 are of fast-charging capability. Hence, a massive 81% of stations in the U.S. have only slow charging capability.") [3] https://supercharge.info/map https://supercharge.info/map [4] http://www.tesla.com/findus/location/supercharger/wheatlandsupercharger http://www.tesla.com/findus/location/supercharger/wheatlands...
- yellowapple 4y ago
  > Tangentially, there is a Tesla Supercharger station halfway between Cheyenne and Casper in Wheatland, WY [4], strangely not mentioned Are Supercharger stations able to charge non-Tesla vehicles? If not, then it hardly seems "strange" to not mention an option that's entirely useless to someone driving a non-Tesla vehicle (in the article's case, that vehicle being a Nissan Leaf).
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    Tesla vehicles, for better or worse, are the majority of EVs in the US currently. Sure, if you want to complain a specific brand of vehicle with limited charging options and a lower range versus competitors can’t make it between towns quickly, that is a story. Is it an honest story? It isn’t. The majority of EVs in the US have access to Tesla’s fast DC charging network. This is cherry picking to shape a narrative to a rural audience. > But despite the attractive price point, the Leaf never really achieved full liftoff. First released in 2010, Nissan has only sold around 170,000 Leaf EVs in the US over the last decade. Compare that to the total number of Tesla vehicles sold in the US in just 2022 — 564,743 — and you can start to see the headwinds facing Nissan. (The automaker said in 2020 that 500,000 Leafs have been sold globally since the launch in 2010.) It it’s true that if you buy an EV from a legacy automaker, your charging story is going to be depressing currently. That would’ve been a fine story to run with full context provided, instead of generalizing all EVs as having a poor experience. A little more honesty is all I’m asking for. https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23219044/nissan-leaf-phase-out-discontinue-ev-pioneer https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23219044/nissan-leaf-phas... https://www.statista.com/statistics/801337/chevy-bolt-ev-sales-in-the-united-states/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/801337/chevy-bolt-ev-sal... https://www.electrive.com/2021/06/28/bmw-i3-to-end-sales-run-in-the-usa-in-july/ https://www.electrive.com/2021/06/28/bmw-i3-to-end-sales-run...
    - yellowapple 4y ago
      > Tesla vehicles, for better or worse, are the majority of EVs in the US currently. That doesn't mean they always will be. Not everyone can afford a Tesla; if your response to "not everyone drives a Tesla" boils down to "lol just buy a Tesla", then your response is the precise opposite of useful to the vast majority of current drivers in the US.

If the US is so incompetent and unmotivated as to not be able to fix this in 13 years, we deserve to fail. This reads as a hit piece, not as a realistic telling of the EV story for vehicles with the largest US market share [1]. China has 65% of all fast DC charging stations in the world, and it did not take them 13 years to build them all [2]. Tesla spent $1B to build its own global fast DC charging network [3]. This is not hard. It is work, and it does cost resources, but it is not hard. Tangentially, there is a Tesla Supercharger station halfway between Cheyenne and Casper in Wheatland, WY [4], strangely not mentioned. Rolling into that station on empty would require no more than a 20-40 minute charge to continue to Casper, assuming worst case charge curve of the smallest current production battery pack and a 150kw max charge rate of that station. "Ideally, before getting stranded in an EV, one could pull off to a public charging station. Unfortunately, there are no Level 3 charging stations between Cheyenne and Casper." (I have driven 100k miles cross country over the last 4 years in my Tesla) [1] https://electrek.co/2022/08/15/tesla-tsla-dominates-us-electric-car-market-share/ https://electrek.co/2022/08/15/tesla-tsla-dominates-us-elect... ("Tesla (TSLA) still dominates US electric car market with 68% market share") [2] https://www.thebuzzevnews.com/china-public-ev-charging-stations/ https://www.thebuzzevnews.com/china-public-ev-charging-stati... ("According to the latest data on Statista, China has a total of 1.15 million publicly available EV charging stations. Of China’s total figure, 677,000 stations are slow-charging ones, while 470,000 are fast-charging stations. Thus, 41% of stations in China have a fast-charging capability. If these numbers are correct (which, is always hard to say for sure when it comes to China), China has a disproportionately high number of stations compared to the rest of the world and a comparatively high share of fast-charging stations. The United States finds itself in the second spot worldwide. According to the data, the U.S. has only 113,527 charging stations, of which only 21,752 are of fast-charging capability. Hence, a massive 81% of stations in the U.S. have only slow charging capability.") [3] https://supercharge.info/map https://supercharge.info/map [4] http://www.tesla.com/findus/location/supercharger/wheatlandsupercharger http://www.tesla.com/findus/location/supercharger/wheatlands...

yellowapple 4y ago
> Tangentially, there is a Tesla Supercharger station halfway between Cheyenne and Casper in Wheatland, WY [4], strangely not mentioned Are Supercharger stations able to charge non-Tesla vehicles? If not, then it hardly seems "strange" to not mention an option that's entirely useless to someone driving a non-Tesla vehicle (in the article's case, that vehicle being a Nissan Leaf).
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  Tesla vehicles, for better or worse, are the majority of EVs in the US currently. Sure, if you want to complain a specific brand of vehicle with limited charging options and a lower range versus competitors can’t make it between towns quickly, that is a story. Is it an honest story? It isn’t. The majority of EVs in the US have access to Tesla’s fast DC charging network. This is cherry picking to shape a narrative to a rural audience. > But despite the attractive price point, the Leaf never really achieved full liftoff. First released in 2010, Nissan has only sold around 170,000 Leaf EVs in the US over the last decade. Compare that to the total number of Tesla vehicles sold in the US in just 2022 — 564,743 — and you can start to see the headwinds facing Nissan. (The automaker said in 2020 that 500,000 Leafs have been sold globally since the launch in 2010.) It it’s true that if you buy an EV from a legacy automaker, your charging story is going to be depressing currently. That would’ve been a fine story to run with full context provided, instead of generalizing all EVs as having a poor experience. A little more honesty is all I’m asking for. https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23219044/nissan-leaf-phase-out-discontinue-ev-pioneer https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23219044/nissan-leaf-phas... https://www.statista.com/statistics/801337/chevy-bolt-ev-sales-in-the-united-states/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/801337/chevy-bolt-ev-sal... https://www.electrive.com/2021/06/28/bmw-i3-to-end-sales-run-in-the-usa-in-july/ https://www.electrive.com/2021/06/28/bmw-i3-to-end-sales-run...
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    > Tesla vehicles, for better or worse, are the majority of EVs in the US currently. That doesn't mean they always will be. Not everyone can afford a Tesla; if your response to "not everyone drives a Tesla" boils down to "lol just buy a Tesla", then your response is the precise opposite of useful to the vast majority of current drivers in the US.